Code please!

still a bloody brilliant game!...bugs and all.

lol calito thats how i felt...

buuut me thinks he's busy doin somat else :'(

Cool...... Why did we relase it the OCT. 21 then???????

And I was actually ready this time... and no codes. Oh well, the game is still flippin sweet.

Thanks Sam, I really appreciate it. Meanwhile, I will just keep playing, and cooping. I love the coop, and know you will fix what's wrong with that.

Great news, Sam! Thanks for the update and keep up the work!

Nice to hear that

i'm starting to think a lot of these bugs people have encountered don't acually exist, i've been through the game twice...about 70 hours alltogether and the only bug i've seen is early on in the game when you go to accept the quest at the temple of light ( quest were you protect hammer ).

If you walk away before the guy finishes talking, when you go back to accept the quest he just doesn't say or do anything so you have to reload your file.

@B_Feck:

They most certainly do exist. I am currently locked out of Westcliff, when ever I go there (fast travel, walk, or carriage) My Xbox immediately locks up on a black screen after the loading screen.

This is by far the worst bug I have ever encountered in a console game. I have to say I'm not very happy with Lionhead right now, and mid December seems a long way off.

Too bad, because these bugs are a really serious blemish on an otherwise competent game.

You sure your disc isn't scratched and that's what's causing the issue? What your describing there sounds nasty but shouldn't more people have encounteredit if it's an issue with the game?

@B_Feck:

Yes, I'm positive. I had no problem getting to westcliff before I did the "Return the dark seal" quest, so it's not a defective disk.

Wo wuts the patch going to remove?

Any chance for a code?

im still more than the 10th here so im glad theres no codes right now

yay you adressed my marital home glitch!

Gotta commend you guys on being so quick with this stuff.

nice

I think this is a great game but its unfortunate that you have to jump through so many hoops to get the expression cards that you need for the completionist achievement.  I finally got the chest in the cave to give me the items available from the flash site, but had to start over with new character.  I broke down and bought pub games to get those items, but I would really appreciate the LCE code so I can finally play a game with all items and areas unlocked!

please email them to me zsquidmc@msn.com

yeah its nice would be if there would be a code.

I have experienced quite a lot of bugs  The furniture message was really annoying when I was in a cave as it covered half the screen.
Also, for some reason I seem to get the disk unreadable error quite a lot on this game and all of my other games are fine. No idea why though.

Also it is my birthday on monday (no thats not a lie ) so could I have a pub games code to go with my LE as a birthday treat hehe.

that... is a while

And the house/wife glitch that occurs when you give your wife two rings?
Can you please send me a Pub Games code?

Hey Lionhead,
thanks for the update an everything but I was a bit dissapointed that we have to wait until MID DECEMBER and after that we only get a few things fixed. I haven't actually gt the game and I'm getting it at the start of december so I'm worried that it will be glitched as so many people have told usabout on the forums.
I was hoping that you would be able to get a patch out before I got my copy but I guess it ain't gonna happen.....
By the ay I remember at E3 08 that peter mention how you were gettiing rid of like 250 bugs a week. why isn't it the same issue here? could you be getting 250 bugs out of the way a week?
Sorry If I have no idea how long it actually takes to fix these things but to me it just seems like a long time with very little done.
thanks for your efforts anyway.

news about the patch; at least we're not left hanging.

dude I swear to god if you fruck up the Jedi class system I will never stop posting angry and confused messages about it to the internet.

I believe I'm tasting the dark side.

Great news on the patch! I'm sure the fixes will make a game even better

its a great game
but come mid december everybody on the forum here have played fable atleast 4 times over  
there isnt enough gameplay to keep everyone busy till mid december and enjoy the patch

@ Margrech yeah, for those who have game now, but for those who get game about then (like me ) but anyway, less bugs when i get it much better

Code Me Please

Yay ^^

Thanks for letting us know Sam. You still doing the codes?

Nice to hear. Kinda funny the first time around when i went in to the guild cave and under that bridge by the door you have to shoot that blue switch thingy and theres a bunch of stone formations to the right under that bridge.. apperently you can ride your dog there >_<. Ended up stuck with him between legs and had to restart the game =D

No mention of freezes/crashes being addressed - Hope that's not an indication that this issue is being neglected... (To be honest, I can live with furniture not being restocked - it's the risk of my xbox rroding that worries me).

Nice that its going to be fixed. Shame this happened in the first place though. None of my friends are putting Fable 2 on their Christmas list. Based on what they've seen me go through they've opted to take their chances on other Xmas game releases. That is sort of a shame too.

I don't have a way to connect online....sooo how will I get the patch?

Since I paid the same price as everyone else for the game, and its glitched I think I am entitled to the patch so that I can really enjoy it. Help me here, Sam.

How is Lionhead going to help me out?

Nice that its going to be fixed. Shame this happened in the first place though. None of my friends are putting Fable 2 on their Christmas list. Based on what they've seen me go through they've opted to take their chances on other Xmas game releases. That is sort of a shame too.

I don't have a way to connect online....sooo how will I get the patch?

Since I paid the same price as everyone else for the game, and its glitched I think I am entitled to the patch so that I can really enjoy it. Help me here, Sam.

How is Lionhead going to help me out?

Thank you for the formal response on the patching plan. Keeping customers in the loop, means a lot to us and goes a long way in damage control. Now we know there's a solution in the winds.

Also to people who claim they don't have a way to connect online... how are you posting on this site? You can patch XBOX games with a Silver Account - costs nothing. All you need to do is hook your XBOX with an Ethernet cable to your router.

code plz =) lol. thanks for the info!

Sam, if you could please address the problems of the game freezing/crashing during game save?  i've played the game about half way through twice to have the game disk crash during a save and ALL of my progress lost.  You know how much it sucks when you spend weeks playing a very repetitive Pub Game to build up all of the gold and items to bring into the game, play it for hours, and within a few seconds, have it all wiped away?  Personally, I think you would address all of the gliches and bugs that cause system crashes, corrupt files, and people unable to finish the game as the highest priority.  I'm sorry some people can't watch their virtual kid grow up, but some people (used to be loyal fans) can't even play the game anymore or are afraid of having the same problem happen again.  i would advise everyone that is able, to send back their copy of fable 2 for a new and repeat the process as much as possible.  i know gamestop will trade out your game for free if it's not working.  maybe lionhead would get the picture.  headlines:  "Fable 2 sees record breaking returns, net loss in the millions."

oh, and for connecting to the internet.  i'd have to either buy a wireless connector for the 360, roughly $100 or figure a way to route an ethernet cable 100+ feet through my house from my PC to my TV and 360.  it's not really convenient now is it?  

oh, and have you ever heard of people using public source internet connections??  maybe, just maybe, some people or blogging at school, or at a coffee shop?!?!?!

yeah, so how would you get the patch to me?  xbl is not the all in one way to reach everyone owning and experiencing problems with your "game."

barely have any problems with the game so far, playing through for the second time. would you be kind to send a pub games code my way?

what about the glitch where your wife dissapears after doing some quest when you return she is now where to be found only your kid is there but it still says your married she just dissapears i looked everywhere and no where to be found

the chest glitch needs fixing as i cant find the feign attack anywhere else!

How do you release a game with so many "game breaking bugs?" WTF?! i'm stuck with no access to my pause menu, weapons, or expressions. no one attacks me, and i can't gain or lose experience. This is a total let down. I just glad I rented the game first, instead of buying it. But it was still a complete waste of 10 bucks. but better than losing 60+ like everyone else. Let's just rejoice in the fact that Gears of War 2 is out and we can all play something else.

Thanks for the update - glad to hear that you're making progress.

As others, it would be nice to have a better idea of the problems you're hoping to fix.  I too am locked out of Westcliff now (and have lost my wife somewhere), so it would be to hear whether this will be addressed.

Thank you for giving us a time frame. Even though it is a while away it's not to have to check each day on the forums to see if it's coming.

PS: I hope you shot your lead tester - they have caused you to lose a lot of your most dedicated "Day 1" customers. I'm sad to say I'm one of these and I will not be buying the next Lionhead title on release day.

i hope the bloodstone glitch is fixed. Too bad it wont be out for a month i might as well take fable back

but not so for people who don't have live!well still i know how to avoid all bugs BUT im still angry and there will still be a lot of angry people without live,

Will this fix the game loading issue?  I get it in Westcliff

i barely ever notice glitches that bother me but in all quest when you turn to a kid all your scars are reset

to know there's an ETA

Thanks for the update, as that's what I really wanted.

Beyond that, I want the patch.    Here's my opinion, Lionhead: I love the game and played until I got the Abbot bug.  As I approached the building, they were already talking and I didn't know it had anything to do with me as I hadn't passed over the glowing area to activate it.  I spent a lot of spare time earning money and finding everything I could in the area, including getting to level 5 in woodcutting.  Something I don't really want to do again.

With all this rambling, my opinion is that the game stopping bugs should be fixed immediately, then release another patch later to get all the smaller bugs that are "only" annoying.  4-6 weeks to wait to play the game I bought really stinks, unless I start over and sit at a woodcutter for ages hitting "A" at the right time.

I really love what I've played, and I cannot wait to play more.  Please consider releasing a patch for the game stopping bugs sooner, with a second patch in Dec.

Thanks...

Hooray! Nice work Lionhead

Are you guys fixing the missing husband/wife bug? the one where the husband/wife disappear and your child is just frozen in time.

Even with the glitches though they are annoying the games is still great and I have been waiting for the games for 3 years.

You idiots should have had all these bugs fixed before the game was released instead of disappointing thousands of fans of the game.

I dont know about anyone eles but my char cant use any of the beds in the homes and i own the homes Plz fix it

Fable 2 causes ring of death on my console.  All of my other games work fine.  I have found nearly every key and gargoyle.  I would hate to lose all of this progress. Any help would be appreciated.

i found a couch co-op bug it happens when the main player gives a gift to an npc during an expression being performed the henchman. The gift menu comes up but only the henchman can control the menu but nothing can be selected and main player gets stuck in the menu as well. Ruins couch co-op and maybe affects online co-op too.

P.S: i bought limited edition but was pretty disappointed with it dont need pub codes coz i bought pub games earlier, just hope your DC is . Also what was the 2 day xbox live trial about i though i'll get 1 month. LOVE HALS STORY

Glad to hear updates are coming out. And I'm glad to hear that Microsoft has attempted to address the issue of missing LE content. Its not so great that in fine print they are only offering to fix the missing LE content until December 31st.
So hooray to Lionhead for being quick to address their issues. And you've all done a wonderful job putting this game together.

Hi Sam,  Thank you for letting me know that Lionhead is working on the various bugs with Fable 2....for what it's worth, I have experienced random game freezing (at which point I have to restart my xbox - thus loosing some prgress) and a disc read error.. I look forward to the patch as I have really been enjoying this game.

-Ryan

Hi Sam,  Thank you for letting me know that Lionhead is working on the various bugs with Fable 2....for what it's worth, I have experienced random game freezing (at which point I have to restart my xbox - thus loosing some prgress) and a disc read error.. I look forward to the patch as I have really been enjoying this game.

-Ryan

Mid December huh? at least now I don't feel so bad about getting a refund.  I don't know what went wrong but I find it most bizarre that there are those who can play Fable II without any problems and then there are a lot of people like me who experience game ending freezes.  All I know is the Fable II disc I had was mint and my Xbox 360 Elite is under a year old and can run any other game without a problem so I was gobsmacked when I could only play a few minutes into the game before I hit a game ending freeze (occurs at the same point EVERY time I attempted to play it).  All I can say is this game needed a hell of a lot more time in QA, even the smaller bugs are game stoppers.

Any chance of a code Sam?

Mid december, what a joke. . . . . . . This is the first xbox game ive brought that wasnt finshed on release

Hope that patch will also allow me to finally gain access to the bonus stuff I bought with the Limited Collector's Edition and that is just not available in the game. I love the game. But I bought the LCE because of this additional stuff and now I can't use it. This quite sucks and I hope it will be fixed.

i still think that the bugs are unacceptable...with all the time you have taken to make this game and the magnitude of it. not to mention how well put together and thought out it is you would think that you guys and lionhead would take the proper time to test it before releasing it with all the damn bugs that are in it.  i have been playing games since i was like 9 and i am 29 today so i have been playing games for 20 years or more and i have played well over 5000 different games in my lifetime and i have never seen a game with as many bugs as fable 2 not even close to as many that have been found in fable 2.  this is a sign of terrible game making, and production. not to mention terrible customer appreciation.  without customers buying your games you guys wouldnt even have a company.  however if you keep making games this terribly no one is gonna buy anything made by lionhead.  i have already decided that i wont be buying lionhead games ever again in the future.  when a game comes out i should be able to play it immediately not have to wait 2 months for a fix.  get it together lionhead for all your customers.  but dont count me in there, i am no longer a customer of yours.  

2 months? Wow, I hope some folks got fired in the QA and testing departments. This is inexcusable. To support my anger, "the game was made for 1 console only." Glitches should have been minimal and hardware related. Am I programmer? No. But I play games. If I discover the glitch then why didn't the testers and QA depts find the same ones. Those guys are the experts.

It's just frustrating. If I bought a toaster that just got stuck halfway though the toasting cycle or a TV that the picture just froze I would be taking it back.

Although I do not want a refund, I am well on my way to finishing up a purely char and I have started making my second char , a nice set of DLC options would be nice.  

At 60 bucks a pop I think we deserved a little better. It's a average game when you factor in the bugs.

i still dont have the pub game codes !

Ya, are we gonna get our code because I've gone to that stupid website a few times now and told them to send me a code, and it's been 16 business days and I still don't have a code.  I'm getting really upset now.  I'm not mad at you Sam, in fact I'm more mad at Microsoft than Lionhead I know you guys are trying, no developer wants people to be unhappy with their game, but a conglomerate such as Microsoft just doesn't give a sh!t.

some of these guys are overreacting, but it is actually dissapointing that so many major bugs weren't picked up. thanks for actually announcing a patch is being made though.

Guys I think it's a great game. I've really enjoyed playing right up until the Black Screen of Death! Yes I'm pissed but will wait for the patch cos I still intend to carry on eventually. Please get the patch out as soon as you can.

Love
Chrissy

Dear Lionhead
What possessed you to release this game with so many faults/bugs?  Being a huge fan of Fable I found it impossible to put my frustrations into words. From numerous missions disappearing, being able to walk through solid doors, floating instead of walking and the final insult - after amassing 5 million in gold, finding all the gargoyles I now am unable to access my save and told that it is corrupt!!  So my search for silver keys and tedious searchings must start again, or shall I return it for a full refund?

I think that it is great that you guys are working on a patch that will be released a month from now!  My game is broken.  The "Love Hurts" quest can not be completed (the grave keeper won't accept the head) and now I am stuck in a never ending loop trying to rescue my kid in "The Rescue" quest that glitches out everytime I leave the cavern and then just restarts it at the beginning.  Basically you are telling me that I can not complete this game for a month.  I have been a loyal Lionhead customer/fan, but, I finally have to admit: This sucks.

MID-DECEMBER!!!!

that's insane!!!

so for people's games that got ruined, they have to wait another month..

geez you guys are losing lots of fans and customers..

hopefully it will be sooner than december..

Please respond specifically to tawilk's comment, I am having the same issue.
It is inexcusable that you charge sixty dollars for a non working product. Also, it is insulting that when I write an e-mail to complain, I get a form letter response that doesn’t address the issue at all.

They are not “bugs” - the game doesn’t work. After reading this post, I am going to return my copy, which is what I would recommend to anyone.



tawilk said:
Sam, if you could please address the problems of the game freezing/crashing during game save?  i've played the game about half way through twice to have the game disk crash during a save and ALL of my progress lost.  You know how much it sucks when you spend weeks playing a very repetitive Pub Game to build up all of the gold and items to bring into the game, play it for hours, and within a few seconds, have it all wiped away?  Personally, I think you would address all of the gliches and bugs that cause system crashes, corrupt files, and people unable to finish the game as the highest priority.  I'm sorry some people can't watch their virtual kid grow up, but some people (used to be loyal fans) can't even play the game anymore or are afraid of having the same problem happen again.  i would advise everyone that is able, to send back their copy of fable 2 for a new and repeat the process as much as possible.  i know gamestop will trade out your game for free if it's not working.  maybe lionhead would get the picture.  headlines:  "Fable 2 sees record breaking returns, net loss in the millions."
November 7, 2008 11:33 PM

I agree with the above poster.  My copy of Fable 2 is now just a $60 frisbee, cuz as of 5 days after purchase the game doesnt work.  It freezes during every loading screen.  Nothing helps, Ive tried everything.  Its ridiculous to me that Lionhead expects us to buy a $60 game, then hook our Xboxs up to the internet (if they werent already) and download stuff just to make the game work. Then when it still doesnt work we get some lame statement that they are "working on it" and we can expect results in December? Thats messed up!! If a game cant function till December, than dont release it till then.  Its like all the QA for this game was completely skipped.  Im incredibly dissapointed and angry, just because you have the ability to patch games through Xbox Live doesnt mean you should release unfinished products assuming everyone has the ability to access live and fix it themselves. Personally im calling for a mass recall and refund for anyone who was duped by Lionhead into purchasing this expensive piece of plastic.

Are you still giving out codes because i want to play pub games soo bad. And thanks for the news! xD

Same issue here with the game freeze... bummer! Come on Lionhead! Show us some love!

Plz do something on the save file corrupting thing which a lot of gamers have experienced
and when I played, all of my abilities were gone and I couldn't eat food anymore

Cool hope that patch comes with the rest of Albion as well thanks and nice Blog.

December? Boo.

Guess I'll have to play some of my other games until the patch comes out.

It better get fixed. I really want to play Fable II .

Zombie child glitch needs fixing as well

A patch that enables to save 2 or more savegames would be very nice
(I really wanna play it again as female ^.^)

I don't know who already said this, but I'm seconding it: Lionhead, RELEASE THE GAME-ENDING GLITCH PATCHES NOW, at least all the ones that you have done so far; It's better to have to patch your game everytime you turn on the xbox than not having ANY patches for 2 months. I read somewhere that Lionhead has already FINISHED the Abbot patch. Why not release that ASAP, and release the rest as they get done??

I'm stuck on the tattered spire section of the game! I follow the golden trail but when I reach the guy on the dock, he doesn't say or do anything. Can anyone offer any advice on how to continue my game without starting over???

Yeah... Rescue Charlie glitch, and other problems.  Mid December?  F-ing ridiculous.  The game really wasn't that to begin with.  Not deep, not free roaming, takes too long to load, quests are short and flat.  How about I get a refund for not being satisfied?  Lionhead and Molyneux are disappointing with every new game they put out.  Hey Molyneux, I'll send you my bill for testing your game for you.  My time is billed at over $100/hour.  But don't worry, since you didn't make a very deep game, I haven't wasted too many hours testing it.  I didn't pay 65 bucks to test this POS for you only to wait a few more months for you to finish it on my time.  I'll go play one of my other 10 games that has no game-ending bugs, and are more fun the second time around than this game is on its first.

Sam - update?

stuf the bugs give us DLC!! the only game ive bothered to complete 4 times

I am just wondering how big this patch may end up being and if you weill be able to provide those of us who dont have access to highspeed internet another way to get the patch.  I live in the country and we have dialup only and not decent almost always 50k dialup either i get 28k dialup at best, so that literally means i download nothing.  This page alone took 3 mins to load.  So having another way for those of us unable to download the patch would be greatly appreciated.

n-i-c-e thanks for the patches Lionhead,n like HoneyBeemck said its still a game.

Job Lion Head! And Sam too

Any news on the patch? Could you please give a update on the status and if you can fix a savegame that won't load anymore when it's finished?? Are you working on that.. i hope so...

Will the new patch coming out include the fix for the DLC that can't be obtained in the chamber of faith? I got the code downloaded it, but there's nothing in the chest besides the ones you can get from fableII.com and can I use it for all my heroes? or just for one?

I hope the new patch also fixes The Spire bug... I cant go any further with the main quest

or some reason I seem to get the disk unreadable error quite a lot on this game and all of my other games are fine. No idea why though.

great game, finished main story line with no problems apart from 1 in der bandit coast place. then i finished game and after playing on it about twice 4 around 2 hours, it just freezes up constantly, started not so bad and now it happens after 10mins into game. i think i might getRRoD if it carries on much longer! how do i sort this out, help please???

game just keeps on freezin, constantly! so f*!#in enoyin!

get the update or patch out faster to get rid of all freezin, bug glitchy things!!!!

...

big fan of Fable 1 and this next one is just dissapointen if fixment doesn't come out soon! and hopefully before december.

Wow this waiting till December is crazy. I got stuck on the Rescue Charlie thing not going away from the top of the screen and I cant open chests or properly complete other missions. this sucks.....

awww december? well i supposed a week or 2 isn't long, considering how awesome this game is. i really hope you can find a way to fix the freezing glitch.

can't wait for mid-december...I'm wondering when Lionhead is going to release a list of what the patch will address - I don't want to hold off from replacing a copy if that could fix the issue, if it turns out my issues are different....although I hear other people have also had issues with loading between regions, and from saves and dig spots too...

Lionhead,

Don't forget to fix the - Freezing Bug Please! :-)
If you don't know what this is already, I'll breifly explain -

After a certain period of time, You may freeze or lock-up during fable 2 gameplay.
At first I thought it was my console of which is fine, and then thought it may be the actual disk.. Wrong. I recently purchased the game, has no scratches to this moment, and seems to be in nick. But as I, along with thousands of other players, it usually freezes after you download that patch >_>

Anyways, Fingers crossed you fix this one, Kinda a pain in the [Censored]

Thankyou, Lionhead.

Kind Regards, TheIRisingISun

After the patch i was having hard lockups loading from any of my saves on any profile. The only workaround i found was running the drive maintenance on my xbox and telling the game not to update when it asks.

OMFG! Why does this patch update not list the hero of will problem? I cant even do the main quest. I watch the little cutscene with the hero of will being teleported away by that triangle thingy and then when it goes back to the gameplay it freezes (right after the message starts to appear that i need to get to the top of the tower). I honestly do not see a point of fixing the minor issues ("I'm sorry some people can't watch their virtual kid grow up" AMEN, tawilk) I love this game, even though i cant get past the hero of will -.- i just play what i can, but nothing after the hero of will, such as places, people, items, demon doors, chests....get the point? Im not one of those lionhead bashers, Fable 2 is a very ambitous game and from what i have played, it kicks ass. Lionhead/Microsoft, i ask that you address this issue before you fix minor bugs. Plus, try to get our save games back (or prevent current game from having that problem). Please respond so i may retain my faith in you.

oh, i forgot to mention that i preordered the game nearly 2 months in advance and picked it up on the release day. i just kept monitoring these boards and thus far i have not seen anything to bring hope for a fix.

BTW, in the update from 12/3 on the patch list, i would like to see this addressed! bring a new update list soon.

Will the patch solve the freezes too?

Just as long as I can get my Master Chief armor, otherwise I'll be hearing my girl complaining about spending 10 extra bucks for nothing
Great game though, would like to see Theresa as a villian in Fable 3!

the game is awsome but when you finished it, it sucks BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope the Bloodstone can't run/attack bug gets fixed.

hello
i loved fabe so much that it brought me into the world of gaming. the sequel's release promted me to get the xbox 360. i am a busy university student who works 40 hours deleviring beer to the very thirsty people of my mid sized canadian city. i have experienced nothing but headaches trying to get this game to work. i am currently beating it 10 minutes at a time. all i want to do is play it because all my freinds games work perfect however i cannot get it to go without frezing for more that 10 minutes and it is at the most random times. i have contacted the number on the box with no help. i need an anwser and a serious response please somebody who knows something i cannont wait to play the game and enjoy it like the rest of you
one seriously pissed off cannuck

Reading about Fable II with a co-op option made me very excited.
But in research of the game so far i cant see that they have fixed many things.
Most important for me was to be able to show eachothers Heroes to your friend in multiplayer.
But NO? And some places in the game is buggy some reports say.
But to me the co-op part had so potential and they shock us with things that should be obvious, but isnt there.
I will not buy this game if there is no second patch coming quickly as shait.

1. Your invited friends Hero should and obviously look the same as he made him look. With abilities and looks. OF COURSE!

2. If the host is gonna buy/sell or click any other menu ingame. Why not split the screen simply? Or make both enter shop?

3. Having bugs that freezes the game and can make the main quest and missions uncompleteable
   is nothing new but should be very few during release. Escpecially critical ones.


I have not yet tried the game yet as i have little money but enough to buy one game now.
I was going for this but as i said, to me the importance of "correctly" and deep co-op gameplay is priority.

If i had the chance to develop any part of this game.
I would just simply make gamemods in the game that you choose before starting Co-op.
Example: Choosing "Hardcore" or "Extreme" difficulty. You make it so that your mana
and ammo are possible to deplete, wepaons and armor can be destroyed if its not taken
care of (Repaired) or enchanted. And you need potions recharge or you can go back somewhere to recharge.
But... if your buddy goes down you can drag him to a safer location or to cover.
(Like a feat in the game Army of 2) Beat off the enemies and heal. If he has mana left.
And if one player becomes very damaged but does not fall down and can still barly fight standing up.
The other one can back him up and they fight as one if both players are unable to heal from lack of mana and potions.
If one dies the other must revive with potion or spell. Or.... put him on shoulders and run
him off to a "temple", "church" etc... And they have to stock up on potions, heal, repair armor/wepaons,
get new spells abilities and so on and try again. All these things should be in some stats list as Fable I had.
And in these options within the game you can add new abilities easy as well.

Example 1: If you become low on health you have 15% chance go "Ultra Berserk" or something and do
insane damage and have different moves. Maybe a few random moves as well while shouting loud as he is totally Berserk.

Example 2: "War Cry" or "Fear Shout" etc... If loads of enemies player might get a (10%)
chance to to do a "War Cry" depending on how the player is doing, how many combos he does,
how it varies and are unhit.
Can even implent "Co-op War Cry" as well. If both players do extremely well they might togheter
press the random button set up that is presented and they may perfrom a team war cry. Stunning and scaring enemies.

(Additiona)l: If both player do well and perform a "Co-op War Cry" Some of the enemies that run in fear might shout out loud "Retreat, get backup" Or something while they run off.
And if players still are in that area after a short while, the ones that escaped will return with even more men, creatures and maybe a Hero, Semi-Boss or something like that. (Something heavy)

Enemy "War Cry" : If both players do badly versus many enemies. One or many enemies may perform a
"War Cry" and stun or scare both players. (Laugh and point, scream and shout)

- A little Martial Arts?-

If armor and or weapon is destroyed of course he can go in melee combat.
But can he grapple\grab or disarm and opponent. Like mounting, tackeling, punshing weapons away, submissions, wresteling etc...?

My fantasy is that with this kind of gamemod (Hardcore, Extreme.. etc) made you can get epic situations.
When its games within games well balanced within the fighting system.

Imagine, one player is down on his back low on health. (He can crawl slowly) Blocking, shooting,
using spells and potions if he dont have healing means. And the other player has to help out.
(If both players are down and unable to get up they might bleed out and fail.)
(Can be automatic if players have ZERO chance of healing)
(Can crawl to healing location if close, pick up remaining potions in field from enemy or other)

Also, if one player is down and the other is fighting and have no mana left he can throw potions with a
"pause screen" (That is allready in the game but it works bad and for only one player at a time)
But this
will be so that one player first chooses the simple ability to throw item the screen pauses and he chooses
what to throw. Press ok. And we're back. Item is being throwned. But if enemy is in the way or enemy hits
thrower the item is dropped. (OF COURSE)

Im just gonna continue here.

-More Co-op Moves-

Example 1: If one player stands in "Catch/Throw Player" stance and the other runs towards him at right
angle the one in stance gotta time when the other grabs hold and you can swing one player around with a
flying roundkick or a Throw sword blow. And the player that runs towards gotta time too if he is going
to grab hold of his buddy to sving attack or to be tossed forward.  
Should also be able to throw enemies at eachother or into objects.
And when enemies are throwned at one player. He can perfrom an attack combined with his friends throw.
He must simply time the impact of the throwed enemy and stabs enemy, or jump mid air, grab enemy and
smash him into the ground or doing some heavy blow mid air.

And you can also swing enemies around if they miss an forward attacking blow and
then you use "Grab enemy" or
something after a dodge. You can sving him around and the other player can time his impact on the off balanced enemy.

More Co-op moves.

-Magic-

This one is easy though.
Both players can perform magic togheter as one spell/move. (Dont know if that is allready in the game)

This is just me ranting on with ideas.
I just want to be able to play an awesome game and im tierd of seeing games failing to
my expectations again and again with often just small details that effects the whole game.    
(And i had high ones for this one)
Lacking deeper gameplay, options and atmosphere.
As far as i can see this game has great potential but things needs to be added fast.
I do have alot of experience with gaming in general. So i know what i want.

So unless a couple of things in Co-op is not fixed ASAP.
This is a "No Buy" from me. And this one first patch does not do it for me still it seems.

!!!Warning!!!  
-As i have not tried the game or done 100% research about it all, this may be WAY off.

-Peace people-