member-scmredrum- seems to help out a lot
Naughty M.- Captain Jack -stirs up a lot of trouble

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I like the naughtys members badge for the ones booted

And the eobaggs cause he seems so polite,and helpful to all, and he makes things Happen,

STARDATE:

I like the naughtys members badge for the ones booted

And the eobaggs cause he seems so polite,and helpful to all, and he makes things Happen,

I think the "naughty" badge is a dire idea.

1) We're not supposed to flame anybody and yet that's what we have to do in order to nominate someone for the naughty badge. (I know which moderator/alt-account would get my vote - but I'm too much of a gentleman to say)

2) Anyone who's that bad that they deserve to be ostracised from the community should surely be banned anyway. What's the point?

3) I never saw anyone - even when it was a "naughty boy" badge or "low karma" - who improved their behaviour as a result, I saw plenty get even worse. It just entrenches people's positions and makes them more rebellious. It becomes like an ASBO (Anti Social Behaviour Order) - a badge of honour. It can bring a kind of "fame" to those that are given it - it would be a great attention getter. I mean, "any badge is better then no badge" for those that aren't enough at anything to get a positive badge0.

4) What about someone who is a terrific modder, but also a complete ***. Would they have both the modders badge and the naughty badge?

5) Shouldn't we instead have more positive badges to increase the chances of giving someone some respect that might not otherwise get it. Then make the badges conditional on behaviour. People think twice about misbehaving when they've got something to lose...

6) Are badges permanent? - is there the possibility of someone being stripped of their badge. For instance, a great techie who turns out to be a racist - and member of the Nazi Party.


I don't think this has been thought through at all well.

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jazzx:

2) Anyone who's that bad that they deserve to be ostracised from the community should surely be banned anyway. What's the point?

3) I never saw anyone - even when it was a "naughty boy" badge or "low karma" - who improved their behaviour as a result

I agree with this. I'm not sure about people getting worse – it's quite hard to tell by that point – but I don't really see how it could help, and how it's better than just banning.


Entirely unrelated, I think Ironlion45 deserves an Oldbie badge since he's been here a long time and he's a member.

jazzx:

1) We're not supposed to flame anybody and yet that's what we have to do in order to nominate someone for the naughty badge. (I know which moderator/alt-account would get my vote - but I'm too much of a gentleman to say)

I agree. Nominating people for a naughty badge is only going to end badly.

jazzx:

2) Anyone who's that bad that they deserve to be ostracised from the community should surely be banned anyway. What's the point?

Erm no.  It's for those who are prats on a continuous basis but do nothing that is ban worthy.

jazzx:

3) I never saw anyone - even when it was a "naughty boy" badge or "low karma" - who improved their behaviour as a result, I saw plenty get even worse. It just entrenches people's positions and makes them more rebellious.

Axecinema got low karma and improved because of it. In fact he became a Medium Karma. And there are others who lost their low karma by improving, so you must have just been kinda ignorant of it. Those who got worse would have done regardless of karma. If you cry because you got derepped then you deserve to be banned to be honest. Everybody I derepped respected my decision and most of them changed because of it.
This whole forum discipline is campaign of yours is completely ridiculous.

jazzx:

4) What about someone who is a terrific modder, but also a complete ***. Would they have both the modders badge and the naughty badge?

Yes of course, you can have multiple badges.

jazzx:

6) Are badges permanent? - is there the possibility of someone being stripped of their badge. For instance, a great techie who turns out to be a racist - and member of the Nazi Party.

Badges aren't given for political views. A techie will not be stripped of their badge if they continue giving technical advice in a professional manner. However, if they make racist threads and refuse to stop making racist comments, then they will get a naughty badge and quite possibly the techie badge will be removed, but it will be assessed on an individual basis.

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deliriousstudios:

jazzx:

1) We're not supposed to flame anybody and yet that's what we have to do in order to nominate someone for the naughty badge. (I know which moderator/alt-account would get my vote - but I'm too much of a gentleman to say)

I agree. Nominating people for a naughty badge is only going to end badly.

jazzx:

2) Anyone who's that bad that they deserve to be ostracised from the community should surely be banned anyway. What's the point?

Erm no.  It's for those who are prats on a continuous basis but do nothing that is ban worthy.

jazzx:

3) I never saw anyone - even when it was a "naughty boy" badge or "low karma" - who improved their behaviour as a result, I saw plenty get even worse. It just entrenches people's positions and makes them more rebellious.

Axecinema got low karma and improved because of it. In fact he became a Medium Karma. And there are others who lost their low karma by improving, so you must have just been kinda ignorant of it. Those who got worse would have done regardless of karma. If you cry because you got derepped then you deserve to be banned to be honest. Everybody I derepped respected my decision and most of them changed because of it.
This whole forum discipline is campaign of yours is completely ridiculous.

jazzx:

4) What about someone who is a terrific modder, but also a complete ***. Would they have both the modders badge and the naughty badge?

Yes of course, you can have multiple badges.

jazzx:

6) Are badges permanent? - is there the possibility of someone being stripped of their badge. For instance, a great techie who turns out to be a racist - and member of the Nazi Party.

Badges aren't given for political views. A techie will not be stripped of their badge if they continue giving technical advice in a professional manner. However, if they make racist threads and refuse to stop making racist comments, then they will get a naughty badge and quite possibly the techie badge will be removed, but it will be assessed on an individual basis.

I'm sorry - some of these responses aren't enough.

2) If you're going to nominate someone for a "naughty" badge - making them the "dunce" of the community - and if there's no mechanism by which it can be removed - (which there isn't, barring a "pardon" from the admin [fat chance]) - then you and the admins who enforce the decision are saying this individual deserves to be ostracised.

Apart from the individual concerned, this sort of thing I personally consider offensive. It's back to the old school days of "sit in the corner with the dunces cap on" - nothing ever came out of that. Everyone has something to offer, by all means tell them off when they do wrong - but this lasting stigma is the last thing a site like this needs. People's behaviour improves when they find their niche - their role in the community - and start getting positive feedback. Axecinema is a case in point. It was despite the system that he became a member (I never knew he was bad anyway).


3) "If you cry because you got derepped then you deserve to be banned to be honest. Everybody I derepped respected my decision and most of them changed because of it.
This whole forum discipline is campaign of yours is completely ridiculous."

I'm sorry that you're disappointed at me not being banned.

*** happens, eh?

I think you fool yourself if you think you were some kind of great pseudo policeman putting people right with your anonymous de-reps (yes - that's the flaw in your argument - they were anonymous to the people they hurt the most. How can you possibly think anyone respected you for it?)

I never respected anyone who used de-reps - unless they were used on a racist bigot or mega-spam-bot. I stopped using them well over a year before they were abolished. I saw that they could discourage people from coming to the site before they had a chance to fit in (two examples live long in the memory). Anyone who used them had to earn my respect back (and many have).

As to the general point of site discipline - there is none, at least for me. I have no protection from any moderator, I have the correspondence to prove that.


4) Is that not just idiotic? It's like saying "We really REALLY  R E A L L Y value you as a member of our website!! But you're a dickhead!"

6) erm - your answer is a direct contradiction to your answer for 4).

Furthermore - shouldn't someone who persists in making racists posts be thrown out? - or is that something you only reserve for the likes of me (judging by your unconvincing answer to 3)?


The "naughty" badge is a throwback to the woes of the de-reputation system. It helps no-one's behaviour, indeed it harms the behaviour of those who indulge in the nomination process and, in my eyes, makes them look like jerks.  If anyone REALLY deserves a naughty badge (for racism and other similar abuse), then they should be thrown out. There's no need for a negative badge.

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Ahh, you're not worth it Jazz, I see you're completely entrenched in your view point, if you want to discuss this with me drop me a pm. But this is off topic as this is a thread for nominating, not discussing the subject.

I always signed my dereps so there is no flaw in my argument. How do you think they said thankyou? Get off your high horse and stop creating such pitiful highschoolesque internet drama where there really doesn't need to be any. Dereps were a thing and I think you'll find even those who previously thought they were before the forum change have changed their opinion now they've seen how people behave around these parts...

Oh and I'd just like to point out that you probably don't see the need for dereps because you spend most of your time in The Movies boards. Well, there is really no need for dereps there, most of the time everything runs pretty smoothly. Unless a certain former MK goes on a pointless necropost run again, there is no real childish behaviour.

In the Fable 2 forums however...well most of the users are kids. It's like highschool. Now, I'd like to see you run a school with no form of discipline.

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I see Jazzx has got something to whine about again..

Group hug everyone!

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Right. Jazz, I really do get the feeling you don't like Del, you don't like one of the Moderators, and you are extremely stubborn in your views.

Del has points, just read over them again carefully and take in what you can. He isn't trying to be a dickhead to you, he's just pointing out that a Naughty Badge and de-rep are not a gift from Satan.

And final argument is that these badges are just for fun, not an extremely serious thing.

Now, I nominate Prof for a badge.
Username: ProfYaffel.
Badge: "Naughty Member".
Reason: He's a naughty boy, and deserves a spanking.
You know someone had to do it.

Next is Monde.
Username: Monde.
Badge: "Oldbie", or "Lurker".
Reason: Monde has been around for a while. Not the oldest of members at all, but he is a recognisable character among the community and one deserving of an "Oldbie" badge. If you ignore the fact that he posts in the RV thread on a regular basis, he doesn't really post anywhere else, but I know that he reads what others have posted in most Forums, and he logs on regularly.

All the other people I wanted to nominate have already been nominated: SeeminglyPointless (Oldbie), Maggot (Disciple and Oldbie), and MJLover (Oldbie).

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SenileSkunk:

Now, I nominate Prof for a badge.
Username: ProfYaffel.
Badge: "Naughty Member".
Reason: He's a naughty boy, and deserves a spanking.
You know someone had to do it.

I've been a bad bad boy...

On a side note, I've been here a while too...

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ProfYaffel:

I've been a bad bad boy...

On a side note, I've been here a while too...

Oh, yes. You have been here for yonks.
But you already have one badge, and you don't need 8 more.

But I am sticking with the idea that anyone who joined on "1 Jan 1970" or "31 Dec 1969" should be given Oldbie badges. If you were here before that reset, and you're still around posting - you deserve an Oldbie badge.
Can't give it to everyone at once though.

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SenileSkunk:

But I am sticking with the idea that anyone who joined on "1 Jan 1970" or "31 Dec 1969" should be given Oldbie badges. If you were here before that reset, and you're still around posting - you deserve an Oldbie badge.
Can't give it to everyone at once though.

But that's only a few months ago

Stumpi, the boards are 10 years old, oldbie badges should be given out to the people that were here before the move to AllBoards.Lionhead, not the move to Community.Lionhead. That was some 4/5 years ago I think, so it would make more sense that people who were here then get the oldbie badge for staying power.

Where as I still consider myself a newbie around here, and I started posting when The Movies came out all those years ago ...

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Mortalitis_Infinitas:

You have gained enough renown to purchase the "Creative Director of European studios at Microsoft Games Studios" title.

RAVEK:

But that's only a few months ago

Ravek, I'm not sure if you made a joke, or if you misunderstood me, but I'm talking about 3+ years ago. When they did something, and all of a sudden you could start seeing actual join dates instead of the weird haxxed version of 1970/69.

satansmunchkin:

Stumpi, the boards are 10 years old, oldbie badges should be given out to the people that were here before the move to AllBoards.Lionhead, not the move to Community.Lionhead. That was some 4/5 years ago I think, so it would make more sense that people who were here then get the oldbie badge for staying power.

Where as I still consider myself a newbie around here, and I started posting when The Movies came out all those years ago ...

Morty said anyone who joined a year or more ago is eligible.

Anywhos, if your join date says "1 Jan 1970" or "31 Dec 1969" you joined before a certain date (sometime in 2005 I think). Now if you joined before said date you are automagically at least 3 years old on the boards. I don't know about you, but being on a Forum (and still being around and active today) for 3 years is nothing to be sniffed at.

And sure, you get people who don't consider themselves Oldbies (MJLover doesn't consider himself one and he's been here for over 5 years) because they know people who have been here longer. Some don't even think Sam is an Oldbie, since Sam only arrived after a while of the boards existing - and there are members older than him.

But I'm basing it on the fact that I know of Monde, and Seems; Maggot, Fel, Kaiser, Battle, PaiMei, Rab, Apoc, Ammy, Fogi, Prof, Cache, MadFruit, Dero etc., and I know they've been here for ages. Now some of these really old guys are still active, and a convenient reference point for me is this join date glitch.

Forgive me for generalising and being crude, I was only taking a rough estimate and making a light-hearted suggestion about who should get 'Oldbie' badges (active people who've been here over 3 years).
I didn't mean to offend.

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No ones offended stumpi we just didn't know which join glitch you were talking about. You said when the boards got updated and so we all though the move from VBB to .NET boards

and anyone here for over a year is eligible for an oldbie badge? *glances at his join date* ... but I don't wanna be old :'( (actually that's a lie, I do and then I can add a pipe and slippers to the avatar ... don't ask where the slippers would go )

I'm not keen on the whole nominations being public thing myself, mainly because it is almost like a popularity contest of sorts. I know that the final call is with the admins, which is a thing, but I still think that it has the capacity to end up like the popularity threads as it is could become a "who's your favourite member" thread ...

I was planning to PM my nominations to one of the mods/admin (not sure if pming them to the mods would do any or not though) to avoid having threads like this, but I can post them here if that is prefered.

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Mortalitis_Infinitas:

You have gained enough renown to purchase the "Creative Director of European studios at Microsoft Games Studios" title.

SenileSkunk:

RAVEK:

But that's only a few months ago

Ravek, I'm not sure if you made a joke, or if you misunderstood me, but I'm talking about 3+ years ago. When they did something, and all of a sudden you could start seeing actual join dates instead of the weird haxxed version of 1970/69.

Ah, okay. I thought that's just since these boards, hence my confusion.
Still don't think 3-4 years cuts it though ... I was thinking 6+

satansmunchkin:

I'm not keen on the whole nominations being public thing myself, mainly because it is almost like a popularity contest of sorts. I know that the final call is with the admins, which is a thing, but I still think that it has the capacity to end up like the popularity threads as it is could become a "who's your favourite member" thread ...

We do of course want to avoid that which is why the current system for the badges is not set in stone.  The system will change as we see fit or per feedback from the community.

Suffice to say there are many members in many of the separate subcommunities that have done badge-worthy things, but it's hard for us to be able to seek all of them out and award them with the appropriate badge.  And as we'd prefer not having to sift through masses of PM's at a time having the nominations public means all mods and admins have quick access to it.

Naturally, of course, if this turns into a popularity contest thread we'll take action appropriately all the way to the point of making it where nominations are no longer a public matter.

All in all there were badges in the "old" forums but here in the new ones we now have the options of specializing the badges.  Where as in the old system somebody who had an HK badge could have gained it through modding or helpful posts (among other things) it was however difficult, on the whole, to conclude the reasons as to why a member had an HK badge (at least to newer members of the community I'm sure).  An HK member could have gotten said badge through a various number of things.  All new members could tell when they saw an HK was that they had done something (again, among other things) to get the badge but as a new member it wouldn't be initially clear as to what.  The new system helps to specialize people's talents a bit and give them a little more credit than perhaps the old system did.  But, as I said above, administration and mods all agreed that it would be best to make it community-nominated rather than up to the sole responsibility of administration and mods.

On to something else (while I'm here and typing) I know a few points have been brought up regarding the naughty member badge.  As many of you know the rep system worked well as a means of offering forth a warning to a member prior to a ban.  However in the new forums this form of warning is harder to do.  We can send PM's but there are many members who check their PM's, at most, once every few weeks or not at all.  The naughty badge is basically servicing as that warning prior to a ban and is by no means irreversible (not sure why people would think that).

The thing to keep in mind folks is that this is supposed to be light and fun; nothing to be taken seriously at all.  In summary: if a member has gone through the effort of making a fansite for Fable 2 we want to recognize them by giving them a badge.  Sometimes it's hard for us to notice everyone that deserves a badge hence we go to the community for nominations.

See.  Nothing complicated.  The key thing to remember here is that this isn't supposed to be taken too seriously, and the minute you do start taking it too seriously is the minute you've kinda missed the point.

This system is relatively new still and as such it will go through a few changes as we see it necessary and as we obtain feedback from the community.  So nothing is set in stone at this point as we're still just testing the waters here. 

Mortalitis_Infinitas:

Naturally, of course, if this turns into a popularity contest thread we'll take action appropriately all the way to the point of making it where nominations are no longer a public matter.

Vote for Prof...

I own the delights of sugaryness...

You know it makes sense...

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ProfYaffel:

Vote for Prof...

I own the delights of sugaryness...

You know it makes sense...

Oh, don't worry Prof.  We've already got a "Nub Basher" badge in the works for you as well as a "Bashed Victim of Prof " badge for you to hand out per your whim.

Mortalitis_Infinitas:

Oh, don't worry Prof.  We've already got a "Nub Basher" badge in the works for you as well as a "Bashed Victim of Prof " badge for you to hand out per your whim.

I've heard your promises before, and I'm still awaiting the results to come back from the clinic from last time...

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Yeah I did think that might be your reply, and I understand the reasoning behind is. Just thought i'd put in my 2 cents on it as we are in site feedback after all!

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Mortalitis_Infinitas:

You have gained enough renown to purchase the "Creative Director of European studios at Microsoft Games Studios" title.

satansmunchkin:

Yeah I did think that might be your reply, and I understand the reasoning behind is. Just thought i'd put in my 2 cents on it as we are in site feedback after all!

Consider your cents put into the community collection jar. 

Ah yes, Prof never got the results of that urine test back.....or am is that Sam he was talking to? Eitherway. I nominate myself for victum of Prof. And I'd like to think that the king of donuts badge actualy means something, so I nominate Prof to keep it. Why? Well, he has made many (2 I know of) verses on donuts, A rap and RnB, plus... He has sugary ness.

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I'm going to third the nomination for the naughty badge for Captain Jack Harkness. I'm just glad that I'm not the only one who's noticed it. I hate to be ugly, but I've tried to talk to him about it a few times, so maybe this is the only way the point will get across

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Mortalitis_Infinitas:

Suffice to say there are many members in many of the separate subcommunities that have done badge-worthy things, but it's hard for us to be able to seek all of them out and award them with the appropriate badge.  And as we'd prefer not having to sift through masses of PM's at a time having the nominations public means all mods and admins have quick access to it.

Well, crazy thought, and feel free to call me nuts, but what if you simply made it so that we can post in this nom-thread but the post will only be visible to admins?

Thus it should be able to avoid this turning in a bash the nub thread, me thinks, and still make it easy on the admins.

???

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It’s because they have tried to blend into the world before, and people continue to disappoint them."