MDigz:

#1.  I didn't force all the fanboys to come in here and argue with me.  They chose to do that on their own.

#2.  I didn't post a technical issue.  I posted my opinion based off of gameplay experience and questioned whether Lionhead was pimping out this franchise instead of fixing existing issues that forced people to completely start their game over.

#3.  I asked if there was some location where Lionhead was keeping people appraised of any fixes they were doing.  i was pointed to the Technical forum where I could find no such information.

#4.  I don't mind if people disagree with me, but please use fact as opposed to acting like a fanboy.  As you can see from some of the posts, I'm not the only one that has these issues.

#5.  I believe it is a reasonable expectation for a product to work correctly when purchased or to be fixed to work correctly in a timely fashion.

#6.  Again, when was the last patch and what did it fix?  According to what I've read in the forums it was early towards release and corrected glitches that people were exploiting.

1: What you don't seem to be understanding is that not everyone who differs from your opinion is a fanboy. It is 100% possible to complete a playthrough of Fable II with no glitches whatsoever; I've managed to get quite a few saves that don't even have graphical glitches, much less anything game ending. I've also had about 7 game ending glitches. It sucks, yes, but it's luck of the draw. There are people who have had no problems whatsoever. It's not being a fanboy, it's just stating a fact.

2: But that's not a gameplay question. Gameplay usually refers to the content of the game itself; combat, co-op, etc. If your complaint (and I didn't get to read the original thread) was about the gameplay, then no one can help you. The game is designed the way it is designed, and I don't think there is anyone here 100% happy with the result. There can always be improvements to gameplay, and some of the more obvious problems (co-op, for example) were not addressed before release, because it is the way LH wanted it to be.
What you are complaining about is a technical issue; mainly, the occurence of a glitch or bug or whatever that causes you to start over. This isn't a gameplay problem, this isn't a feature of the game. Something is happening with your game to cause you to have to restart. The best way to find help is to tell us exactly what happened to glitch your game and either wait for a LH response (which may never come, unfortunately) or let those of us who most likely experienced the same thing help you.

3: That's because we've already recieved a patch and haven't heard of any plans for any more. The technical forum is where you post technical problems, which is what you are having. The chances of getting a LH response are slim to none, since they've already released a patch, but there are people here who can help fix your problem.

4: And you should be able to see from some of the posts that there are others who have had no problems at all. Just because someone says they've had no problems doesn't mean they are a fanboy. It just means that they've had no problems. It does happen, you know.

5: You're right. But trust that LH is not the only developer to develop a game with bugs. EVERY GAME has bugs. Every single one. Ever. They released a patch to fix the early glitches, which is more than you can say for some developers. There are still some problems that remain, unfortunately, but don't get your hopes up for another patch. Your best bet is to quit the childish namecalling and actually expalin to us what your problem is, so that we can help you.

6: It was a while back, I think it came out with KHI. It fixed some major game-ending glitches, such as the Abbot glitch and the black screen save. It fixed some side-quest problems, such as Alex not showing up in Bowerstone, and some graphical and freezing glitches. It fixed major problems, not exploitation glitches.

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The patch was released when the released the first DLC (Knothole Island), what it fixed, I don't know.

The patch released on the release date of Fable II was for the online part of the game.

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i do agree with some the things the people have posted here but i also agree with the creator of this topic.....if you buy a game...it should be working correctly....yes every game has bugs and glitches but fable's bugs and glitches do really affect the game in a very significant way...unlike other glitches and bugs...

now now....a lot of people have been complaining how fable 2 has a lot of glitches and don't let them finish the game...now that tells me that lionhead didn't do a proper job on the game...and that ain't for business....but if you are just pissed off at the game because it's "sucks" or it wasn't what you were expecting then just sell it right away and buy something else and stop complaining...maybe next time they should do some research on the game before buying it....

MDigz:

99% is not a factually based number and is a random value that you have assigned.  Judging from the forums, your 99% is not even close to being accurate.

no, because people who have no problems don't generally post about their lack of problems.

MDigz:

The technical forums go unanswered except for other players trying to come up with "work arounds".

if the devs read the forums about potential issues or glitches, that's where they will look.

MDigz:

So far I've heard various excuses by fanboys trying to absolve Lionhead of any moral or ethical responsibility in providing a quality product that would function properly.

i don't see any evidence that fable 2 is not a quality product. it works great for most of us. if you have a problem, why not post that in the technical issues forum so people can try to help you, and so the devs can find it and try to address it?

MDigz:

I don't see any easily identifiable representatives posting in the technical forums.  I could find no indication of any progress being made on addressing issues that have been pointed out.  A "work around" is one thing.  Having to start the game over because of a defect in the product is another.

i've talked to technical support on a number of issues in my history of computer use. in my personal experience, "start over" (ie: "format your drive and reinstall windows") is generally not the only solution, and rarely the best. on another forum, i just helped a user who managed to prematurely exit the shooting range, and couldn't move because of it. the standard advice was "sorry, start over." turned out he didn't have to, he just had to get back into the shooting range.

MDigz:

So when was the last patch and/or update and what did it fix?  I think there was one towards the release of the game to prevent exploits.

the last title update i'm aware of was in january. it fixed the follow issues:

• The Ritual/Monk's Quest -- "fixed the issue with the Abbott becoming unresponsive if you leave Oakfield before he finishes talking. This will fix the problem if you've already hit it, too."
• Rescuing Charlie/Rescue My Baby -- "after rescuing Charlie, you can now interact with objects."
• Guild Cave chest -- "resolves any issues with previous inability to retrieve items unlocked from Limited Collector's Edition, website or Chicken Kickin' game. If you've already hit this bug you should now get your items."
• The Spire (Part 2) -- "no more issues with ship captain being unresponsive."
• The Hero of Skill (Pirate King) -- "you'll no longer get stuck during Hero of Skill quest."
• T.O.B.Y./Trouble In Bloodstone -- "you'll no longer get stuck during T.O.B.Y. quests."
• Your child "will no longer be chosen as an assassination target."
  
• Furniture Shop in Albion (Bowerstone) "will now always have something for sale."
• Additional unspecified fixes

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/01/12/fable-2-bugs-squashed-with-title-update/

MDigz:

I think that my expectation of a correctly functioning product is not out of line.  I am entitled to my opinion and I did not force anyone to post on here and condemn me for it.

no, it's that's not out of line. what is out of line is sitting around here complaining that they're not doing something they clearly are, instead of trying to actually get the help you need, and help them in the process. most of us do not have these issues, and most of us have had a very quality experience playing this game. if you're in that outside 1%, well, i'm sorry. but you should try to help whatever happened to you not happen to others. not just rant about how bad the company is because they occassionally do things other than getting right on your undescribed problem right away.

Chieffie:

arachnophilia:

what i really don't get are the "glitch" allegations. i always see people talking about how the game has serious glitches, but i never see anyone say specifically what they are.

***POSSIBLE SPOILERS*** Let me help you there: My second play through, I married Lady Grey and moved her into homestead. After destroying Lucien with the music-box, she's still listed as being my family, with location Homestead. But if I go there, she's gone. No wife, no breadcrumbtrail. The next action have tot take to finish the 'Retribution' quest is 'Visit the family', which is impossile as she isn't there. So there you have it: Game-ending-Glitch. There's NO way for me to finish Retribution, no workaround, nothing. It's a useless savefile now. I'm thinking of logging on, giving all my sh*t to random passers-by and deleting this save.

yes, lady grey is prone to disappearing. have you tried searching the entire area for her? i generally stick her in the cemetery mansion, and she likes to go for LOOONG walks there, often without a breadcrumb trail. if she's actually GONE gone, try marrying someone else. might fix it, and complete the quest, but lady grey will still likely be gone.

this is probably the next issue they should be addressing. this glitch is, unfortunately, relatively common, but usually isn't this this serious. usually, it's just a lost wife. your game just seems to have lost her at the worst possible time.

MDigz:

#2.  I didn't post a technical issue.  I posted my opinion based off of gameplay experience and questioned whether Lionhead was pimping out this franchise instead of fixing existing issues that forced people to completely start their game over.

this is exactly your problem. if you have a technical issue, post about it (in the technical subforum) and try to get it resolved. either by work-around, or by title update. instead, you're just sitting there complaining.

that's like sitting in a car dealership complaining that they make crappy cars, instead of taking your car in for their free warranty service. great, yeah. maybe the cars are crappy -- if you really think that, don't buy one. big deal. if you have a problem with your car, get it fixed.

at this point i honestly wouldn't be surprised if you:

1. didn't actually have any real problem, or
2. are playing offline, didn't get the title update, have one the glitches it fixed, and expect magic

MDigz:

#3.  I asked if there was some location where Lionhead was keeping people appraised of any fixes they were doing.  i was pointed to the Technical forum where I could find no such information.

this is a message board, not a devblog. you could... um, try the devblog.

arachnophilia:

MDigz:

#2.  I didn't post a technical issue.  I posted my opinion based off of gameplay experience and questioned whether Lionhead was pimping out this franchise instead of fixing existing issues that forced people to completely start their game over.

this is exactly your problem. if you have a technical issue, post about it (in the technical subforum) and try to get it resolved. either by work-around, or by title update. instead, you're just sitting there complaining.

that's like sitting in a car dealership complaining that they make crappy cars, instead of taking your car in for their free warranty service. great, yeah. maybe the cars are crappy -- if you really think that, don't buy one. big deal. if you have a problem with your car, get it fixed.

at this point i honestly wouldn't be surprised if you:

1. didn't actually have any real problem, or
2. are playing offline, didn't get the title update, have one the glitches it fixed, and expect magic

MDigz:

#3.  I asked if there was some location where Lionhead was keeping people appraised of any fixes they were doing.  i was pointed to the Technical forum where I could find no such information.

this is a message board, not a devblog. you could... um, try the devblog.

Thank you for telling me exactly my problem.  Unfortunately, you are wrong and trolling.  Your allegory is also incorrect .

Surprising you was not my motive.  However, a product that does not work as intended would seem to be a problem.  I do play online and as for expecting "magic", I already stated that I expect when I purchase a product for it to function properly especially after an extended time frame post-launch.  You can look no further than the technical forums and this very topic to see there are others with game related issues yet to be fixed.

Really, this is a message board?  Thank you for pointing that out as I posted a message on a Lionhead message board for Fable II.  Um, try not posting next time.

What is the glitch you are experiencing, there are a few, and someone might know the answer if you post it into this active thread.

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MDigz:

arachnophilia:

MDigz:

#2.  I didn't post a technical issue.  I posted my opinion based off of gameplay experience and questioned whether Lionhead was pimping out this franchise instead of fixing existing issues that forced people to completely start their game over.

this is exactly your problem. if you have a technical issue, post about it (in the technical subforum) and try to get it resolved. either by work-around, or by title update. instead, you're just sitting there complaining.

that's like sitting in a car dealership complaining that they make crappy cars, instead of taking your car in for their free warranty service. great, yeah. maybe the cars are crappy -- if you really think that, don't buy one. big deal. if you have a problem with your car, get it fixed.

at this point i honestly wouldn't be surprised if you:

1. didn't actually have any real problem, or
2. are playing offline, didn't get the title update, have one the glitches it fixed, and expect magic

MDigz:

#3.  I asked if there was some location where Lionhead was keeping people appraised of any fixes they were doing.  i was pointed to the Technical forum where I could find no such information.

this is a message board, not a devblog. you could... um, try the devblog.

Thank you for telling me exactly my problem.  Unfortunately, you are wrong and trolling.  Your allegory is also incorrect .

Surprising you was not my motive.  However, a product that does not work as intended would seem to be a problem.  I do play online and as for expecting "magic", I already stated that I expect when I purchase a product for it to function properly especially after an extended time frame post-launch.  You can look no further than the technical forums and this very topic to see there are others with game related issues yet to be fixed.

Really, this is a message board?  Thank you for pointing that out as I posted a message on a Lionhead message board for Fable II.  Um, try not posting next time.

Do you have the Knothole Island and See the future DLC's, most of the fixes were included in the DLC's.

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Boy, you are quick to tell people not to post in your thread, accuse people of being fanboys, ( by the way I am not boy) and yet you have yet to explain what your problem is. Many have suggested to post in the correct forum and all you have done is scoff at them and call them trolls.

Dude what is your real beef? We have all offered help and you turn us down and sit and blast us telling us we don't understand. What is there not to understand. The game has glitches- yes. Was it patched- yes in October and again in January.

What do you want us in the community to say we are sorry your game is not perfect. It is manmade it won't be perfect. May be if you would specify the exact problem maybe we or even if you are real lucky a dev might be able to help.

In failing to be specific as to your exact problem, makes me wonder if you really have a problem with your game, maybe its your xbox. Computers and that is what the game console is a computer are not inflallibel to problems. Data can be missinterpreted and unless what ever this unnamed glitch is can be reproduced in the lab it is highly unlikely it will be fixed.

Why not tell us what is really wrong with your game and give us a chance to help you, if not take your game back and get something else.

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MDigz:

Thank you for telling me exactly my problem.

you're welcome. please feel free to use this opportunity to explain what issue you are actually having. you seem to just want to wave your hands in the air in frustration. we're offering help. you just have to actually ask for it, and explain what your problem is.

whining about how terrible lionhead is will not help. and it certainly is not a way to try to get them to help you.

MDigz:

Unfortunately, you are wrong and trolling.  Your allegory is also incorrect .

no. i'm not wrong. you have not described your technical issue. only whined about the fact that it apparently exists. this is your problem -- if you tell us what's wrong, you can possibly be helped. either by us, the "fanboys" or by the devs themselves. they do sometimes read the board, ya know. and posting "i have problem XYZ that happened when i did ABC, and now my game borked" is a lot better than posting "you guys all suck, die in a fire." as far as anyone can tell, you're the troll. we're trying to help, and you want none of it. you just want to stir the pot.

and yes, my analogy is incorrect. one is an expensive piece of machinery that your standard of life probably relies on, and the other is a video game.

MDigz:

Surprising you was not my motive.  However, a product that does not work as intended would seem to be a problem.

you have yet to describe your problem. and we don't even know that you ARE using it as intended.

MDigz:

I do play online and as for expecting "magic", I already stated that I expect when I purchase a product for it to function properly especially after an extended time frame post-launch.

it's been out for less than a year. in that time, they've patched it at least to fix several common issues, and released two packs of DLC to help address some common concerns re: length/depth, and item unavailability. and, as far as we can tell, are still working.

MDigz:

You can look no further than the technical forums and this very topic to see there are others with game related issues yet to be fixed.

that's nice. i don't see YOUR topic there. how do you expect help when nobody even knows what you're talking about?

MDigz:

Really, this is a message board?  Thank you for pointing that out as I posted a message on a Lionhead message board for Fable II.  Um, try not posting next time.

try looking in the right place for the right information. did you want a dev to specifically tell you personally what they've fixed and when? maybe one would be kind enough to, but these guys are busy and there's a devblog for that. and googling "fable 2 title update" isn't especially hard. why on earth did you expect to find this information on a FORUM?

MDigz:

Thank you for telling me exactly my problem.  Unfortunately, you are wrong and trolling.  Your allegory is also incorrect .

Surprising you was not my motive.  However, a product that does not work as intended would seem to be a problem.  I do play online and as for expecting "magic", I already stated that I expect when I purchase a product for it to function properly especially after an extended time frame post-launch.  You can look no further than the technical forums and this very topic to see there are others with game related issues yet to be fixed.

Really, this is a message board?  Thank you for pointing that out as I posted a message on a Lionhead message board for Fable II.  Um, try not posting next time.

What is the problem you are having? What is it about the product that's not working as it is intended to? What glitch are you experiencing? Are you even experiencing any problems? Honestly, you are just in here waving your arms about, screaming "THERE'S A PROBLEM!! THERE'S A PROBLEM!!!! FIX IT!!!" but you fail to point out to anyone exactly what that problem is. Are you just making observations and actually need no help? Or is there a glitch/bug/other problem you are experiencing that we might be able to help you with?

And we are trying to help you fix your problem; if you cutout the name-calling, hostility and accusatory tone, we might be able to do that.

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MrThump2:

Do you have the Knothole Island and See the future DLC's, most of the fixes were included in the DLC's.

False, the patch was release the at the same time, but wasn't a part of Knothole Island and I don't think LH released another patch since Knothole Island.

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Beowulf71:

MrThump2:

Do you have the Knothole Island and See the future DLC's, most of the fixes were included in the DLC's.

False, the patch was release the at the same time, but wasn't a part of Knothole Island and I don't think LH released another patch since Knothole Island.

I stand corrected. Thanks.

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well honestly i agree with the thread poster here. the game does have soem serious glitches, even though i have not had to restart a game because of one yet. i once game a ring to my wife and it screwed MY ENTIRE file up. luckily i am more tech savy than others with my consoles and i keep back ups of files.

and for those who say "well just trade it in then mraaaaahhhh"

its a sucky feeling when you buy a game love it; then NOT GET TIRED OF IT but just not be able to finish due to programmer errors they don't want to correct, THEN go trade it for a FRACTION of what you payed.

seriously if this guy seriously has had the game since it came out and STILL has not been legitamitly not been able to complete it due to the manufactureers bad job he should get a FULL refund.

cause not to pick sides, bsh capitalism or ONLY praise the consumer BUT (it is a consumers world) game companies and system companies (talking to you MS with your shotty built 360 that most of my freinds have gone through 6+ already), dont build a crappy product then whine when people pirate your stuff. make it affordable, make it work or expect no concern from a public who feels jaded, ripped off and rearin for revenge.

PS
lionhead i did love fable 2, was fantastic just missing a few things such as co op, exciting battles and decent DLC. work on that and IMO you have a super winner.

later

TheT:

and for those who say "well just trade it in then mraaaaahhhh"

its a sucky feeling when you buy a game love it; then NOT GET TIRED OF IT but just not be able to finish due to programmer errors they don't want to correct, THEN go trade it for a FRACTION of what you payed.

i understand that much. it's a pain to like a game, but to hate it for the glitches. but he hasn't taken the time to tell us what his glitch even is. even so, quite a lot of people play this game more than once. i'm on my sixth hero, and i'm probably starting a seventh after that. it's a short game; starting over is not a huge deal. it sucks to be FORCED to start over... but it's not like other RPGs where you might spend several hundred hours and then run into a game-ending glitch.

TheT:

seriously if this guy seriously has had the game since it came out and STILL has not been legitamitly not been able to complete it due to the manufactureers bad job he should get a FULL refund.

if he's had the game since it came out, and hasn't been able to beat it yet, life must really hate him. like i said, i'm on my sixth hero. some people here are on their 20th. the game's short. it sucks to have to start over, i know, but even if whatever his problem is is a worst case scenario, he still should have been able to complete the game after starting over.

i just don't think the game is quite as glitchy as he's complaining about. i've never run into any serious glitch, nevermind a game-ending one. i know there are a few common problems, but most of them aren't serious, and all of them aren't so common that they're a big issue with game quality. it's a complex computer program: *** happens.

TheT:

cause not to pick sides, bsh capitalism or ONLY praise the consumer BUT (it is a consumers world) game companies and system companies (talking to you MS with your shotty built 360 that most of my freinds have gone through 6+ already), dont build a crappy product then whine when people pirate your stuff. make it affordable, make it work or expect no concern from a public who feels jaded, ripped off and rearin for revenge.

i'm actually with you on the 360. it's just badly designed in terms of cooling.

Yep, the 360 is crap and yet with NATAL they're getting rid of the only thing that works fine.

So instead of the controllers, they should have thought of something to get rid of the 360 itself.

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Beowulf71:

Yep, the 360 is crap and yet with NATAL they're getting rid of the only thing that works fine. So instead of the controllers, they should have thought of something to get rid of the 360 itself.

Heh...dare to dream, my friend. Dare to dream.

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Beowulf71:

Yep, the 360 is crap and yet with NATAL they're getting rid of the only thing that works fine.

i dunno about that. i have four controllers, only one of which actually works correctly.

arachnophilia:

i dunno about that. i have four controllers, only one of which actually works correctly.

I'm at my 3rd XBOX 360 and still my first controller.

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Beowulf71:

arachnophilia:

i dunno about that. i have four controllers, only one of which actually works correctly.

I'm at my 3rd XBOX 360 and still my first controller.

When I got my Halo 3 Xbox 360 Edition (not because I like Halo 3, just all they had in stock at the time, and green was pretty neat.) the controller was cracked..now, I really really loved that green controller and the way the buttons were fashioned other than the normal controller....anyway I take it back and they give me a white one in return...I was like so I kept it for a while only to figure out, the (B) button was mashed which I never used the control until that point, it was like falling apart on me. So I deciede to take GameStop up on its offer and take the white controller...it's blandness has served me 2 years though.

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with everyone here siding me on the insultingly built 360, could it BE possible this guys 360 could be behind his entire glitching error.

i have notice my systems lags fable 2's boot screen (and lagged spots on wanted) where by buddies newer system doesnt. maybe this kids system eye, heat problems, ETC that plauges the 360 are the real culprit here, locking his games or not processing information right making it APPEAR the game is faulty.

dude have you tried to put your file on another 360 or hard drive and run through it.

may be a step

T one has to wonder if it might be his xbox but he has never said what his problem is. He also hasn't bothered to post as of late. We don't even know what kind of xbox he is playing on.

But, yeah try loading it on the harddrive and clean the cache out.

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TheT:

with everyone here siding me on the insultingly built 360, could it BE possible this guys 360 could be behind his entire glitching error.

i dunno, it could gremlins and faeries for all we know. he still hasn't told us what this serious problem he's suffering actually is.

If bunnies and leprechauns are dancing on your screen it isn't a glitch...at least to the game it isn't/

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