Quoting: Derobrash

There is nothing unfair about it. The fact is, I have done the right thing, and if you lot choose to hate me for it, then go ahead. I have better things to be doing than pandering the the fact that people are upset over a slight drop of post count. Its like saying "Oh, lets put the post count back on the OT forum because ages ago where were some really valuble posts that people spent a lot of time on", "They didn't deserve to lose their post counts over past wrongs". The analogy is there, I am right, you are wrong. It stays like this.

Alright. I wasn't arguing for myself, anyway, but rather for the others - it doesn't, in the end, concern me. I'm still glad that we have this forum, and rather grateful.

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I agree with Dero. Despite the fact that there are alot of BnW relevant posts in there, they are positively dwarfed in number by the number of RP posts. Therefore statistically, they belong here. In response to Tigerlover's post: First, post count shouldn't matter. Quality over quantity every time - making a few good posts is much better than making alot of bad ones. Second, if you want to post pictures then do so. There is absolutely nothing to stop you. Third, newbies make new threads anyway, and they have the "New and need answers" thread, which is far more on-topic. Fourth, there are very few n00bs here, and those few can easily be ignored. Hah, not only that, but we have more moderators looking in and stopping arguments. Fifth, we don't need new ones for BnW2. Sorry TL, Battle and co. but you're over reacting. Chill.

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Sole Destroying.

@Fel Yes indeed. The way I see it is that there is a split of opinion over the matter, and at the end of the day, I have taken the best course of action as I saw fit. I will not be going back on it, so you may as well just get on with the RP that you are now allowed to do in this safe environment. Hey, I may even join in @Bludgeonman + Others Thanks for those who are agreeing, I know I can't please everyone

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I have no idea what I am talking about

And he was almost the people's Mod again . I think it would hurt to see so much of your post count go away, especially for Battle. But in the end Dero is right and whining and moaning isn't going to help. So I guess you guys just have to deal with it. Must of you still have over 1000 posts, so that gives enough distance between you and the newbies.

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clark1250:

I can't be ignorant for something I do not know

 Quoting: Monde

And he was almost the people's Mod again . I think it would hurt to see so much of your post count go away, especially for Battle. But in the end Dero is right and whining and moaning isn't going to help. So I guess you guys just have to deal with it. Must of you still have over 1000 posts, so that gives enough distance between you and the newbies.

Have you spent days and days on making those posts? We lived up when we made them. And now, the postcount of them is removed, like it is rubbish. We did not only enjoy ourselves, we worked. We did the best we could. RP is a form of writing. You could even call it culture! Some of the RPs I've seen since I first began RPing were better than many of the stories of the professional writers. And what does Dero say?

 Quoting: Dero

They are RP, they don't belong in the CI place. Nor do the post counts.

Does this mean that RP, which is hard work just like writing stories, is not worth anything? That it is useless, worthless and pure rubbish? One piece of advice Dero: Don't RP until you truly understand what RPing is.

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Lots of people manage to. Come on Dero, it'd be good fun

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 Quoting: Derobrash

the pictures don't exist.

You'll pay for that one. I'll find every picture I ever posted and slap them in your face! 1. 2(down). 3. 4-5. 6-7. 8. 9. 10-11. 12. 13. 14. 15/17. 18/21. 22. 23/26. 27/29. 30-34. 35. 26/40. 41. 42/44. 44/46. 47. 48/52. 53/59. 60/68. 69. 70. 71. 72. 73/74. 75. 76. There! Those are the pictures I have posted in just the Thread. The number I posted is dwarfed by the amount posted by people like Iacobus and Fenton_Pat and there were many others that posted a lot of pictures. So you can't just say the pictures are non-existent. If necessary I will find you the link of every picture post in the threads and if you want also every newbie helping and perfectly on topic post.

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I saw your pictures BattleF08 I liked the random vegetable thingies. Solar, stop acting like a spoilt brat, at least everyone else is arguing rationally here. Before leaping to the defence of RP and mistaking what I said about the post count situation, read my posts properly. I'm not going to respond to anything else in your post until you do so :/ Fel, we'll see, it depends if "I fully understand what RPing is"

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I have no idea what I am talking about

 Quoting: BattleF08

You'll pay for that one. I'll find every picture I ever posted and slap them in your face! 1. 2(down). 3. 4-5. 6-7. 8. 9. 10-11. 12. 13. 14. 15/17. 18/21. 22. 23/26. 27/29. 30-34. 35. 26/40. 41. 42/44. 44/46. 47. 48/52. 53/59. 60/68. 69. 70. 71. 72. 73/74. 75. 76. There! Those are the pictures I have posted in just the Thread. The number I posted is dwarfed by the amount posted by people like Iacobus and Fenton_Pat and there were many others that posted a lot of pictures. So you can't just say the pictures are non-existent. If necessary I will find you the link of every picture post in the threads and if you want also every newbie helping and perfectly on topic post.

Errrm, Battle, but I just see the same post for each link there.

Argh! I don't know that the problem is! I'll try to discover what's wrong. Discovered what was wrong. The links look like this: http://boards.bwgame.com/showpost.php?p=947009&postcount=7381 With the final number being the posts number. I thought changing this would also change the link to show that post, but instead it shows the same post, but indicates it is a different number! It'll take ages to correct! Edit: Ages that I would more then happily sacrifice because I am persistant and determined. Here are the correct links: 1. 2(down). 3. 4-5. 6-7. 8. 9. 10-11. 12. 13. 14. 15/17. 18/21. 22. 23/26. 27/29. 30-34. 35. 26/40. 41. 42/44. 44/46. 47. 48/52. 53/59. 60/68. 69. 70. 71. 72. 73. 74/75. 76. 77.

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 Quoting: Derobrash

Before leaping to the defence of RP and mistaking what I said about the post count situation, read my posts properly. I'm not going to respond to anything else in your post until you do so :/

Did so actually. Including the part on how the RP isn't deemed neccesary. But in the threads, Black & White, which was a Lionhead game, was discussed. For this I can point you to a former post made by you...

 Quoting: Dero

These forums are here for the purpose of discussion of Lionhead games. Anything else is not deemed necessary in terms of post counts. That is the ruling of which forums get post count and which do not.

Is this a bit more rational then?

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Why's everyone getting so worked up about this? It's a different location. Sure, you might click the wrong link a few times before you get used to it, but that's hardly important. There were relevant posts once upon a time, but they were well before the board reshuffle which lost us the post count anyway, so any post counts lost through this transfer are purely those brought about by RP (besides a few picture posts) It isn't as if they're saying "Everything in these threads is utterly pointless and stupid, you all suck for RPing". Far from it. They've created a dedicated forum for RP and, as RP-dominated threads, that's where these belong. We can still post pics in it, they're hardly going to close the threads for that.

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I'm not going to argue this anymore Solar. I've made my point and I'm sticking by it.

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I have no idea what I am talking about

Iacobus, I think deep down it is because I have a deep attachment to the Thread. It's where I grew out from a total forum newb to one of the oldbies. I've shared the majority of my pictures there in that thread and helped lots of people. During the years I got to know a lot of people there because of our common interest in the game B&W that I now consider good online friends. The Thread was my 'home base' so to speak. I checked those threads and from there out checked all the B&W1 threads and helped the people there. It was my main connection to that forum and without it I would perhaps not have stayed around in this forum for that long. The Thread grew out to become the biggest thread on the B&W1 boards and I was proud of it. I would have very much liked it to go down into history as the biggest B&W1 thread ever. There was RP yes, but most importantly it was the place where gods came to gather. Now that the thread is thrown into the RP forum as part of OT it's like my whole history here has been thrown into a dumpster, unworthy of the place where it origionated. My posts too unworthy to be recognised as posts. It makes me feel angry and greatly saddened, like I've been trampled over with muddy shoes.

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Right, I've made up my mind, I don't care Firstly: Now, post count DOES actually matter. But not for me. Since I don't get to rep myself, it doesn't make a lot of difference whether I rep for 1 or 10 points. Second-like: I didn't lose any power over it However... I can understand why people (and to some extent me as well) are upset about the slap in the virtual face. OT was de-postcounterized because the worthwhile entries were dwarfed by the meaningless spam and banter (from now on referred to as spanter). Hence, de-postcounting these threads must mean that the main part of their content are regarded as junk. As stated, it isn't just fighting, it's art, and artists tend to get aggravated when you disregard their work.

I agree with Battle. The alignment and especially the good thread are the biggest reason I am here today. Those threads were the place where I was welcomed to the boards, elsewhere I was just flamed for my stupid threads. I was totally new to forums like these, except from the Halo boards which you probably know how they are (or were in that matter). I joined the discussion there and noticed the RP, so I joined the RP. I was indeed flamed by SirJoe once, that I can remember () and I excused myself for ruining the fun. Battle, Iaco and SirJoe all said that I hadn't, I just had to learn the RP rules for those threads. The threads are the threads that tought me how to behave on the forums, how my posts should be and not spam to much. These were the threads that I gained online friends from. Those were the threads that got me interested in writing, and that helped me a lot in english class and they also boosted my fantasy by a great deal. Noone made fun of the nick either, which was VERY unusual, sometimes it was made fun of, but they knew me good enough that I'd understand it was a joke. And RP isn't all about *Bang your dead.* As LT says, it's an art. We need to discuss the outcome of it too. It's a storywriting where everyone contributes with one character each, instead of one person controlling everyone, and that is what makes RP so fun, and artistic. And you will be touched by this post!

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*Is touched*

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"Effortless superiority"

I wasn't going to say more on the subject, but I feel the need to express to Dero that it isn't just about post count. I have posted 6 other things, here and in the Thread responce. Yet all you read is post count. It's not about post count. It's about what it represents and about a lot of other stuff. Saying it's just about post count and that people will get over it is being naive. Post count is only a small part of the problem people have with it. The core of it for me is in my last post and I will not just 'get over it'. Added to that are the 6 other reasons then Post Count.

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I am not saying its all about post count! Nor am I labelling RP as spam. Its about where RP belongs and its about where a thread should be. I appreciate that those are the threads where everyone got to know each other, but them being in a different forum does not change that at all. When I talk about post count, I talk about that being the ONLY thing thats different between the threads being in that forum or being in this forum. And therefore the only thing that needs discussing. The threads belong in RP. They are RP no? They may well have other content earlier on, and some great pictures, but that does not change the fact that main bulk of those threads is now, and will forever now be RP.

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I have no idea what I am talking about

Battle, the threads can still stay as places to discuss nes and all that jazz, but you have to admit, they ARE primarily RP, and therefore belong where they are now located. Can we get back to the actual RP'ing now, please?

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Sole Destroying.

 Quoting: BLUDGEONMAN

Can we get back to the actual RP'ing now, please?

Yes, please do. Listen, I'm sorry that this move upset some people, and to be fair, I did sort of know that it would irk people, but it was just something that *had* to be done. If enough of you ask me to, I'll gladly go through the thread and pluck out the relevant good/evil/neutral stuff from each one and deposit them back in the BW forums. It will take me a long time though as I have to do each post one by one. There is no reason why discussion on good/evil play can't carry on in the BW forum, but when it comes to a choice of leaving these threads there and starting new ones here or moving these ones here and starting new ones there, I look at the fact that the threads are 99% RP, and I just have to admit that they belong in here. I would also ask that you not hate me for it, because I'm really just doing the right thing, I consider most of you to be at least in some way friends with me, and I don't want to lose that over something like the location of some threads.

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I have no idea what I am talking about

 Quoting: Derobrash

I would also ask that you not hate me for it, because I'm really just doing the right thing, I consider most of you to be at least in some way friends with me, and I don't want to lose that over something like the location of some threads.

Why I'd never.. You are a great mod, top class Decision are and will always be consequencidal (sp?). I agree they are mostly RP, and I wouldn't tell you to gather all the non RP stuff from it. It'd take to long and all that. Me and Battle were discussing this. These threads were a big part of the BW and CI forums, but I believe new threads can be made. But the one who is most dedicated to each alignment should. (Battle's Idea, his credits )

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 Quoting: Derobrash

If enough of you ask me to, I'll gladly go through the thread and pluck out the relevant good/evil/neutral stuff from each one and deposit them back in the BW forums. It will take me a long time though as I have to do each post one by one.

If it were a simple matter I would ask, probably even demand you do this. However I know the size of the threads quite well as I have made an attempt to summarize it completely once. So I could never ask you to do something like that. It would also destroy even more of the spirit of the thread. So no, don't do that. I do not hate you for your decision. I hate your decision, but not you. People have differences of opinion and although I am very strongly against this one with all my heart it will not change my opinion of you much. I will carry some anger and sadness around for a while, but it will not effect my future dealings with you. Though it will no doubt effect my opinion of this forum and dedication to it in some way. Well this post has begun to spiral downwards into negativity. I shall stop here before I convince myself I do hate you and everyone that supported you. I will forever disagree though.

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Picking out relevant posts would take a very long time. It took me forever just to read the majority of the neutral thread. And its dwarfed in size to the and threads. Personally I can see arguments from both sides, and so far I have been against it and then for it. But while reading through this it seems each time I read a post that was either for it or against it I kept changing my mind. Though I am also rather dissappointed that all of our hard work counts for nothing in the end.

 Quoting: HOOLIGANS58

But while reading through this it seems each time I read a post that was either for it or against it I kept changing my mind.

Straight from Orwell's Animal Farm I'll stop discussing now as I've said all I had to say, with a summary of my opinion: The RP threads may contain RP, but where the archive is is completely irrelevant. Apart from the great frustration caused from their being here. If a new thread was created here, dedicated to the roleplaying part of the content, the old threads could be moved back where they belong to rest in peace, with the on-topic discussion where it belongs. Plus, the members would be dandyhappy again