look, doesn't it seem like somthing you would mention? all he did was call his soilders his old friends, thats it. nothing else. if he was nemesis he would have said it. the fact that he said no conslusive proof is basically proof its not him.

Lack of evidence, even though there is which you discount for no reason at all, is in no way evidence of lack. Telling your enemy exactly who you are, who knows that god's weknesses, would be a very stupid thing to do, and Nemesis is in no way stupid.

most of you are reading into it way too much, hes just another god. why does he have to be nemesis? that wouldn't make the story better. and the only peice of evidence you have is him saying "my old friends,". evidence is not proof and by saying "my old friends," he is just calling them his old friends he is not *(as one person put it) paraphrasing the information that he has been on eden once, ruled over the aztecs and is nemesis because thatsa what nemesis did

If they're his old friends, they're his old friends, that's the end of it.

If i may say my opinion. Nemesis was a quite calm and noble-like god and the undead god is......well not. And Nemesis was not a Aztec god as i recall. As i recall he came from the first island in B&W1. and the main town on that island is Norse.

His last land was Aztecs, it makes no difference whatsoeer what his other towns were. And Nemesis could be described as a lot of things; calm is not one of them at all.

Why is this thread still around? Undead---God, the reason the Undead god decided to attack you first, and not another empire-leader is... You are the only one. Remember. End of BW2, you conquer and rule the whole world. If he doesn't want to pick a fight with you, what is there left to do? You rule everyone. And, as a god from the sacrifice of the dead, he is one of the dead. The words "my old friends" may refer not to the fact they are Aztec, but to the fact they are dead. Quod Erat Demonstrandum?

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Rule the whole world? Blimey, I must have missed a few hundred lands. And no other explanation for "my old friends" makes any logical sense. Though yours makes the most of the counter-arguments, it still doesn't ring true. Anyway, why would the non-sacrificed corpses be his old friends? Just because the sacrifices were dead it wouldn't mean that suddenly all corpses are his "old friends". As for why it's still here, it shall be so until there is any evidence, at all, that he isn't. As it happens, there is no evidence against that at all, and only vague speculation that opens up a can of worms against evidence that supports the theory he's Nemesis. The only reason people don't believe this is because they don't like the idea. It's not from weighing up evidence or even facts from the game, since all that points towards him being Nemesis.

i agree with you 100 % Undead---God but time does pass inbetween games... lmao

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Surely he could have just said "My Old Friends" Because he was dead, and so he knew them because he was in 'the Realm of Death' with them. As both himself and his undead soldiers had been at one stage dead, wouldn't he feel akin to them? In my opinion he called them his Old Friends because he had been the same as them before.

Do you realise that what you've just said is another way he could be Nemesis? To be dead he must have been alive before that.

ooh hes gotta point...

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Why cant he just be a new god and not an older one?

"My old friends" could be referring to all the Aztecs you killed in B&W2.

 Quoting: Undead---God

Rule the whole world? Blimey, I must have missed a few hundred lands.

The Japanese, Aztecs and Norse were ruling the world. Since you beat them all, that would be ruling the world.

 Quoting: Undead---God

Do you realise that what you've just said is another way he could be Nemesis? To be dead he must have been alive before that.

Or he could have just been an Undead soul who was Born. As people have already said, a God is born when people pray desperatly. The Aztecs prayed desperatly so a NEW God was born, but because they used dead bodies that NEW born God happened to be the god of the Undead and therefore new his undead soldiers.

yeah. you have one tiny sentence that doesn't even qaulify as evidence claiming that he may or may not have been on eden before. while we have loads of ways to tell you he is not nemesis.

 Quoting: Brutus_

yeah. you have one tiny sentence that doesn't even qaulify as evidence claiming that he may or may not have been on eden before. while we have loads of ways to tell you he is not nemesis.

And that is...? Let me answer for you: non-existent. You can't discount it because it's one sentence. The reason you're trying to is that it proves it 100%, don't even bother denying that's your aim since you close enough to admitted it. If they were his old friends, they were his friends and have been for a while. Either that or Xoatl makes the only massive grammatical error in the game and for some reason chooses to do that during his opening speach. Brutus, you're starting very much to act like a little pest now. If you'd go back and read the thread you might realise what a mess you're making of yourself and why peole aren;t taking anything you say seriously. All you're doing is claiming that there is no evidence to suggest that he is Nemesis when there's actually quite a bit if you'd actually read the thread instead of miniscule snippets, and the only one which you're not responing to by sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "LALALALALALA" to is apparently discounted for no reason at all. Why that is I don't know. I don't think anyone actually understands the mysteries of your mind. Now, if you're just going to carry on being as annoying as you are, not putting anything into the thread except provocation then it's needless to say I'll ignore you. You say you have evidence that he isn't, and yet you haven't put any forward.

You say you have evidence that he isn't, and yet you haven't put any forward.

I agree that you have come up with some evidence to suggest that he is, but (and yes, I know you were directing this @ Brutus, but anyway) I have just explained why we think that the evidence you use to say that he WAS Nemisis (which to be honest I can't solidly prove or disprove, and we never will) is the same evidence that can apply just as easily too the other possiblity.

 Quoting: Mzan

Now this IS a fan-fic story....I'm almost sure of what I said before.To me, you, all of you, are discussing theories and ideas that came only from the deep swamps of your minds (no offense), and not from Lionhead. My point of view.Just my point of view.

We probably are! haha! Although I'm trying to just use common sense, it's quite hard when you're talking about a Game in which you play as a God fighting a dead God who may not be dead, might be a re-incarnation of a ancient rival of your former self before you went to sleep for ages, or might just be a God who was unfourtunatly turned into an undead by the crazy Aztecs messing up their sacrifices... Haha! EDIT: Especially when you are new to the forums and nobody really cares what you say! :P

Still, you're claiming to have evidence and refusing to put it forwards .

 Quoting: Undead---God

Still, you're claiming to have evidence and refusing to put it forwards .

No... If you read our post it does actually say that the 'Old Friends' thing is also just as valid for our point, and Ramdat has just given another reason why 'My Old Friends' is a point for us (apart from mine, so we now have 2)

"My old friends" could be referring to all the Aztecs you killed in B&W2.

Also, we have been using common sense for ages to try and show you why nobody can prove (and yes, nobody can disprove either) that Nemesis is the Undead God, for example when Gods die they do not decay they are sent to the void (@ Mzan: This is taken from the game, don't worry! haha) And another theory is that the New God Doesn't have to be ACTUALLY dead. He could just be a God who signifies and is God OF the undead, therefore his 'body' is warped to suit the way that his followers worship him! I actually think that Lionhead may have just left some tantalising snippets there just to get our imagination going so we could play the game how we want: If you thing the U-G is Nemisis then play the game like that, if not, then don't! They will not tell us because it is good for us to use our imagination because it keeps us interestead in the game. That's why I am not going to try and PROVE that the U_G is a new God, just argue that you can't PROVE that he isn't.

I'm not trying top prove that he is Nemesis either, I don't believe anything either way, other than he is Xoatl, Undead God or whatever else you want to call him. I'm just saying that all the available evidence points towards him being that, which it does. And there's a difference between vague speculation against a piece of evidence and a piece of evidence for your own points, looking at your post it seems you don't understand that. Is there any evidence, at all, that suggests he isn't? The only thing you might be able to use is the "lack of evidence is evidence of lack" argument, but that's weak in every single case it's used almost, especially in this one where there is evidence. Not proof, evidence. And back to your previous point, he couldn't have been an undead soul that was born. If he was an "undead soul", then he was alive at some point. You can't have it halfway. If he's an undead sould then he was at some point dead and before that alive.

 Quoting: Undead---God

I'm not trying top prove that he is Nemesis either, I don't believe anything either way, other than he is Xoatl, Undead God or whatever else you want to call him. I'm just saying that all the available evidence points towards him being that, which it does. And there's a difference between vague speculation against a piece of evidence and a piece of evidence for your own points, looking at your post it seems you don't understand that. Is there any evidence, at all, that suggests he isn't? The only thing you might be able to use is the "lack of evidence is evidence of lack" argument, but that's weak in every single case it's used almost, especially in this one where there is evidence. Not proof, evidence. And back to your previous point, he couldn't have been an undead soul that was born. If he was an "undead soul", then he was alive at some point. You can't have it halfway. If he's an undead sould then he was at some point dead and before that alive.

Well, actually, what evidence do you have which isn't vague speculation, you speculate that him saying 'My Old Friends' 'MUST' refer to Nemesis' old tribe. Just as I speculate that it could just as easily and just as, if not more probably, refer to the dead or the Aztecs that you defeated in B & W 2 . You seem to be discounting our arguments as rubbish whilst saying that your arguments, which are argued in almost exactly the same way, with the same method of specualation, are wholly better and more valid. The point of him being an undead soul before is just one possiblity among many others of ours which I and others have Mentioned. And who is to say when you die you don't just become energy and some energy was used to make a God of Undeath, so he didn't HAVE to be a God before. The aztecs sacrificed thousands of Dead bodies to make the the Undead god. So i tcould be logical to say that the Undead God is just made out of the Enrgy or souls of thoose sacrifices, so he did not exist before, but was created by the Energy of constant sacrifice, butas they were dead sacrifices, he existed as an Undead God.

Look, if you're ignoring what I'm saying then there's little poit talking with you. It's like talking with a brick wall... Let me explain this slowly. If they were his old friends, they were his old friends. That's that. End of. Not blind speculation like yours against a piece of solid evidence. Friends of old. I doubt his grammar would make no sense at all for one line in the entire game just so it would be convenient for you.