fablier:

I don't really understand why bows couldn't have advanced in technology over 500 years.  Sam said in his post that wooden arrows just don't cut it, why are they still using wooden arrows?  In 500 years you would think someone would have made bows more advanced.  What about things like recurved bows or deflex bows, both are more powerful than your average longbow.  You start getting into things like metal shafts and different types of arrow tips and suddenly the technology gap disappears.

It seems funny that they want to stick to realism with bows yet guns.......watch the GDC video and you won't see anything realistic about that gun.  I still think that they don't want to reduce the rapid firing of the guns, thats why bows won't be in the game.  Bows should still be in for stealth, silence is necessary for an assassin, gunpowder weapons and noisy crossbows just wont do.  Portarock brings up a point, it does make you uncertain about a stealth system in Fable 2.

It would be nice to hear what the 'recent design change' was that made bows useless, not that it will happen.  Dog questions from March, scar-death questions from July, 1 button combat questions from July, and orb questions from last month all have yet to be answered so I think bow questions will just be another item on the 'no comment' list.

 

I have a few questions myself regarding this problem. Now, I would understand the terms for having a feel for "realism", but I am not sure if Fable is trying to accomplish that. I do not consider any game "realistic" in those terms, games are not realistic to me.

 

Now the uniqueness for bows was what really gave that appropriate feel. As someone mentioned earlier, you could arc the bow to an angle that could kill someone. Of course that wasn't at all very easy to do in the first Fable, but that can be improved on.

 

And as you mentioned Fablier, Wooden arrows could have been improved upon, and changes could easily be made. In the past, Native Americans used bows and arrows as their hunting method. It was stealthy, safe, and recommended for hunting. The "pullback power" for the bow would be around 120 pounds, meaning you had to pull 120 pounds with one arm for a very effective kill. Often times, I still consider that just an amazing accomplishment.

 

That could be one way to improve upon bows, as well as making the material much stronger, possibly iron or steel. Whoever brought up the stealth system had a great point, and that was one of my peaks in Fable. Fable seems to have the medieval/fantasy feel to it, and I would say it to be a cliche for these types of games to generally have bows. For me, that is a thing.

 

I have to admit, I was very sketchy about the guns idea when it was announced, and I still am today. I understand the feel for "new" weapons, but keeping the old is what may keep the casual/hardcore gamers excited for the game. Taking the noisy approch with a gun doesn't work for everyone, maybe people want to try being a stealthy person. Then again, I don't know if they are trying to accomplish something "new" in a game that takes place 500 years later. Surely bows would still be used by this time, seeing as it was favored by other people more than guns. That would be my approach for "realism" if I ever took such an approach to a game (then again, that is just how I feel). Guns will definately not appeal to everyone if that was their limit for long range pre-emptive strikes.

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wait wait wait, crossbows are noisy now? when did that happen. last time i checked crossbows were pretty quiet and there also the assassins weapon of choice. if your hiding in the dark you dont wanna have to hold up an immense longbow and pull back 120 pounds of draw power to get your shot, thats pretty noticable, plus longbows are harder to carry round.

crossbows now, are much more useful. easily slung over a shoulder and easy to pull back the bowstring (all that in fable1 about taking ages to prime a crossbow was bull), the only crossbows that took awhile to load where the ones that where as tall as a man, and they had winders to make it easier. its also much easier to aim a crossbow.

I have never played an rpg where sound has pulled aggro, maybe in Oblivion but then again after 2 days of playing it I sent it back and got me money back

All this "I wonna be able to stealth and use a bow because its silent and a gun would pull aggro by the sound and light of the flash" WTF

A mate of mine plays Hitman he goes crazy and gets so into the game… he makes us all shut up, just so he can hear the footsteps / heart beat of his next victim. I couldn’t hear anything…

 

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Who needs a bow when you can have a inproved crossbow? prob in those days much easyer to reload, much faster, much stronger, and besides its fables world, lets just say if it really wasn't strong in "our" days of highwaymen. aint nothing says it can't be all this in a fable world. it is make belief, after-all.

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Cyanide & Happiness @ Explosm.net

I love how Lionhead has preached that they aren't going for realism, yet they can't make bows a little "unbalanced" so they can fit in the game...

They can make days last for as long as they need them to, a dog that will never die of old age, and a Hero who doesn't have a shot in hell of dying, but a bow, somehow, can't be modified IN AN UNREALISTIC WORLD to match the strength of the other ranged weapons...Really??

All this talk about how realism doesn't work in the Fable universe, how realism isn't what they're shooting for, how realism is stupid when you have magic in the game...YADDA YADDA YADDA, then you cut Bows because for some reason, the animators can't adjust the keyframes, AND/OR the programmers can't put in bigger numbers with regards to the damage code...Really??

Alright, I guess we're getting a more realistic game then, huh??  I mean, you're telling me that all these casual gamers will actually give a damn that a Bow has the same firing power compared to that of a CrossBow?? That's what you're saying...Really??

All these casual gamers who could care less how the game is made, could care less how accurate the portrayal is of these 16th Century weapons, WILL ACTUALLY BLAME THE DEVELOPERS FOR MAKING A BOW AS STRONG AS A CROSSBOW??

.......Really??

sCM redruM:

I love how Lionhead has preached that they aren't going for realism, yet they can't make bows a little "unbalanced" so they can fit in the game...

They can make days last for as long as they need them to, a dog that will never die of old age, and a Hero who doesn't have a shot in hell of dying, but a bow, somehow, can't be modified IN AN UNREALISTIC WORLD to match the strength of the other ranged weapons...Really??

All this talk about how realism doesn't work in the Fable universe, how realism isn't what they're shooting for, how realism is stupid when you have magic in the game...YADDA YADDA YADDA, then you cut Bows because for some reason, the animators can't adjust the keyframes, AND/OR the programmers can't put in bigger numbers with regards to the damage code...Really??

Alright, I guess we're getting a more realistic game then, huh??  I mean, you're telling me that all these casual gamers will actually give a damn that a Bow has the same firing power compared to that of a CrossBow?? That's what you're saying...Really??

All these casual gamers who could care less how the game is made, could care less how accurate the portrayal is of these 16th Century weapons, WILL ACTUALLY BLAME THE DEVELOPERS FOR MAKING A BOW AS STRONG AS A CROSSBOW??

.......Really??

 

i honestly don't see why you come on here... did you have a job at lionhead then they kicked you out for saying that every game they tired to make is crpa, so now you have a secret vendetta to flame everyhting about fab;e 2 on the fourms? coz every post i've seen you make you jus have an obsession withflaming fable 2.... c'mon if your just gonna flame no need to come on here is there?

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So none of my points are valid?? OK...

So because Lionhead constantly reminds us that realism is not a part of the Fable Universe, somehow, they couldn't 'streeeeeeeetch' out Bows to fit them in??

Because the so called "historic gamers" themselves would know the exact firing rate of a Bow compared to a Crossbow from the 16th Century??

So yeah, until you can prove to me why bows can't be REWORKED IN A FANTASY GAME, I'll continue to sarcastically bring up points...By the way, terrific effort on contributing to the post, nice job on singling me out without even mentioning a single thing about the topic at hand...You did so well...

ooo look we have a clever little comedian in the house.... birlliant sarcasm deary, bravo *sarcastic applause*... but seriously why get so worked up over them not having bows in the game? sam didn't say they where out for deinfate although more likely than not, they are out for definate. But still what does it matter? Liopnehead is a company that are known for taking risks, and taking bows out is just one fo those risks, and i credit them for doing so, people have no idea what is going on  at lionhead with the development of fable 2, there was a valid reason for taking bows out and that was because they where too easily over powered by the guns, so whats the point in keeping the bows in, yes they could change them very easily, but they obviously have a reaosn not to, it's not as though it's going to be crap without them, it'll still be an amazing game, and i can't personally prove why bows can't be reworked in fantasy game, i agree they could, but obivously lionhead didn't want to, and  it was obivosuly for a solig reason otherwise they would ahve reworked them and made them fit into the game

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He's only making a statement about how all you seem to do is complain about lionhead's choices with Fable 2. There really isn't a  "" explanation  as to why  they can't be reworked but, then again we're not the developers are we? So we don't know exactly the reason for this, yet.
I can see why he may ask that question.  Why do you come on here, if in fact all you really ever do is criticize Lionhead, and or Fable 2? The bottom line is LH made a choice to cut it, I would like to see the bows in but, I'm not going to criticize because of it.

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"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property...Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." (Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775)

A solid reason or else they would have?? Ummm, you stated why, because guns overpower them, you answered your own question...

My rebuttal is simple, IT'S A FANTASY GAME, you can do whatever the hell you wanna do...They have magic in the game for christs sake, yet they can't make bows stronger than they "should be" to give gamers more weapon choices??

It's like this...If you have magic in a game, anything can be manipulated to work properly...

And if any gamer says, "oh, bows shouldn't be able to do as much damage as a musket", ask them to perform magic, such as Fireballs and Lightning in front of you...If they can do it, first, you call the CIA, second, you erase his number out of your cell phone and third, and most importantly, you RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN in the opposite direction...

Anything else buddy?? It's about choices...I don't like Crossbows, they look stupid...I'm not a gun guy, obviously why I don't play shooters, aside from like Splinter Cell...It's about me now, not having a choice due to the infringment of "unrealistic gaming" that Lionhead talks so adamantly about...

firefreak:

wait wait wait, crossbows are noisy now? when did that happen. last time i checked crossbows were pretty quiet and there also the assassins weapon of choice. if your hiding in the dark you dont wanna have to hold up an immense longbow and pull back 120 pounds of draw power to get your shot, thats pretty noticable, plus longbows are harder to carry round.

crossbows now, are much more useful. easily slung over a shoulder and easy to pull back the bowstring (all that in fable1 about taking ages to prime a crossbow was bull), the only crossbows that took awhile to load where the ones that where as tall as a man, and they had winders to make it easier. its also much easier to aim a crossbow.

 

Who ever mentioned Crossbows being noisy? If anything they are the same as their counterparts, the Longbows.

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@Rum

Well you can always fix that easily by not purchasing the game when it comes out.

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"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property...Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." (Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775)

@ greenghost

That was brilliant...For you ladies who can't handle sarcasm, do you mind at least posting something in regards to the topic and not just addressing me...This is how posts get locked, because off-topic conversations ensue and nothing prospers from there...

And here's another question for the defendants...Are daggers and small knives going to be cut since swords are obviously more deadly??

I mean, if you think about it, swords will automatically have higher base damage from the get-go, so I'm guessing daggers are gone right?? No?? Maybe??

OK...

People seem to have missed what Sam said earlier:

 

"Bows just don't work in Fable 2 and so, there won't be any in the final game (OK, never say never, but at the moment there won't be any bows, and if it changes, I'll let you know)."

 

That means that as of now at this very moment, bows are not turning out the way they want to in the final game, or cannont compare to guns in this next chapter of the game. Now I understand the frustration and all, but this has not yet been confirmed. All too often people mistake information as being true or false, created by assuring themselves that they had to have an answer, whether it be something they made up or not.

 

Keep in mind that changes may well be made between this time and the release date. Whether the game is finished or not, I do not know. What I do know is that if it is, they can go back and make more changes, effectively delaying the planned release date until an appropriate time.

 

I am a little disappointed to hear about the recent news as well, but I know that as of now, it could change at any time.

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@Rum

Well you can always fix that easily by not purchasing the game when it comes out.

I really hate when people use this argument. Its just stupid. If Lionhead suddenly announced that magic and ranged weapons were unbalanced so they are going to be cut and now sword fighting will be the only combat then of course if you wanted to use magic of ranged you would voice your disappointment at these features being cut. I could always just tell you "well just don't by it then" but that is stupid.

As for people "complaining" about the way Fable is currently being developed, there is a very reason for doing so. It is called feedback. If Lionhead was to make a bad decision and everyone "complained" about it then they would know that they should rethink that decision. The announcement lately have been IMO bad so it makes sense that the reactions to them would be negative. Hopefully some news will be released soon so that the people who have been unhappy as of late will finally have a reason to say something .

Feedback ( or complaining in the views of some)  is the reason why the next dev dairy will focus more on Fable and hopefully we will get answers to questions people have been wanted for a long time.

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Thank you Ralph H. Baer

It's not about whether or not they may come back, it's about why they got cut in the first place...I never voiced my opinion about how stupid I think guns are in Fable 2...I think they are going to be horrificly implemented on so many levels, but I never said anything, because Bows were in...

I had no reason to say anything, because my preferred ranged weapon choice WAS IN THE GAME...Now, since they cut em', I'm gonna have fun with it...

Either way, guns, like I said, are stupid in Fable 2...I've never liked the idea, from the second I saw em' in the trailer like 2 years ago or whatever...They don't fit the time period in my eyes...Is our Hero really going to reload with a container of gun powder and a metal ball like it's Colonial Times??

Of course he won't, because FOR SOME REASON, Fable 2 is going to be like Rambo, and not have reloading in the screenplay...Because we all know, those muskets were sure reliable back then

What's the famous saying?? "You're the type to bring a knife to a gunfight..." It's implied that all weapons would lose to a gun in that circumstance, but for some reason, those other tools aren't being disregarded, why not??  There's a saying that automatically puts guns on a pedistal above the rest...If so, ehy are Bows being singled out compared to say a Mace or a Crossbow??

Also, guns automatically imbalance the rest of the weapons...So what do you do?? You can't tone down the gun to make it fit right, you need to tone up the other weapons...And why may you ask?? Because we all know how guns work in games...If they give us a gun, we know exactly what to do with them, how powerful they should be in comparison, WHICH MEANS, you need to re-align everything else to make them that much better in order to even hold a candle to guns...

That being said, what upgrades could you give to a gun that would make it better than it was previously??

A faster reload?? Same thing could apply to a bow...

Better accuracy?? Already was implemented in Fable 1 for bows...

More powerful?? A gun can't increase in power, only a new gun could do that...But a Hero with a bow can get stronger, pull the string back farther, create more tension, thus doing more damage...

So really, what benefits do you gain and what does leveling a gun really help a Hero out in?? OK...

Alright, for those of you that are yelling at us 'complainers'. We have SUCH a reason. I agree with greenghost5. If we didnt *** and complain about features that will or will not be in fable 2, then there would be absolutley NO point for this forum.

For example.. If Fable 2 developers JUST announced that they were going to cut katanas from the game, because "compared to the greatsword, they just werent effective" then I'm sure we would all be pissed, because the katana as for now, is the strongest light weapon (Even if it isn't, that's not the point). If lets say, MOST of us just LOVED the katana more than anything in the world (again an example), we would try to complain and yell at lionhead, and what we say to them would all lead up to one scentence: "We like the katana, dont get rid of it, because I'll be pissed at you". And if most of our attitudes were "Oh well, there's going to be much more to the game", then I'm positive that Lionhead would seriously not even think about adding Katanas.

But, for the Longbows, us 'complainers' really like longbows, and we're stating our opinion so that maybe, just maybe Lionhead will reconsider their decision to take bows out.

If people didnt argue on this forum over whats and whats bad, there wouldnt be a point to this place. Arguing tells Lionhead, "Hey, it looks like the majority of the people here want longbows back!"

So you say, "Just dont get the game if there won't be longbows."

What in the name of hell are you smoking?

Why would you say such a preposterous thing. It makes me so angry that you would tell someone to not be here or not to get the game just because of ONE detail.

If you think like that, why dont YOU not get the game? You are the ones who apparently don't care about the content of the game.

you act like, one bad thing in a game is ? And you can let it slide. Yeah, just wait until you let too many slide and end up hating the game, just because you we're stupid or lazy enough not to argue. It seems to me that people that argue about the content of the game care way more than those who dont argue. We arent mad at Lionhead, like you say we are. We aren't attacking Lionhead's ideas like YOU say we are.. We're actually trying to help them, if your thick skulls can understand my train of thought. We're helping them by trying to make the best game ever. We're helping them because we dont let one bad thing slide. One bad thing slides, and then you've got your slippery slope. We're definatley helping them. We're giving the developers ideas to HELP them make their game BETTER.

"Well you can always fix that easily by not purchasing the game when it comes out." What the hell is that? Is not buying the game going to help Lionhead? Absolutley not..

So now that I've made my point, let me sum this all up. You people that are getting mad at us for arguing for the topic of 'longbows should be in', let me tell you one last time, we aren't attacking Lionhead. You are. You are, because you tell us not to buy their games. (If you like lionhead and are 'protecting them from us attackers' why would you tell someone to not buy LIONHEAD'S game? Hmm? Thats definatley attacking lionhead, you just don't realize that because you idiots can't think about the long term effects of 'not getting a game' We're helping them to make the best game ever. Just understand.

Stop attacking us you losers, we're doing the right thing. You aren't.

Please, don't argue with me on this. You already lost.

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III Things I want in Fable III:
More Magic in the World and Plot.
More diverse people in every aspect.
More Abilities in general; skill/strength/will.

I agree with you redrum. except for the part about guns being bad. I will use everything but the point is that fable is all about choices and options. If they take bows out, then there will be less choices and customization thereby taking out part of the core element of Fable. Wearing a pimp hat or a redhed wig is useless compared to wearing a helmet, but will people still wear them? Yes.

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Exactly. It's what these people arguing with us don't understand.

Why wear a pimp hat? Cause it's AWESOME!

Why use a bow: Cause i like it?

Personally, I prefer Fable to be set in Medieval times. It's just more... Fable. Fable in colonial times..it's iffy.

By taking out the bow, Lionhead is taking out chioces.

And that's the core element of all fable games

 

 

Choices.

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III Things I want in Fable III:
More Magic in the World and Plot.
More diverse people in every aspect.
More Abilities in general; skill/strength/will.

Yeah, but then what are they taking in? hmm? the xbox having to run 1 more type of wep, them having to develop the way how the bow works, shoots, agrument colors, effects, the whole speech on, ok I have this so we will make the game auto-balance and make this for this strong, they have to add up pin-points again to make the character look like hes using the bow, they have to design more bows like skorms bow, maybe and they will increase there chances of being late and not go beyond there deadline.

Hows that take you fancy?

   And I am with you guys all the way on  being mad about not having bows, but unless they have time and room, I wouldn't expect it in Fable 2. (cuz you know Robin Hood was type of highwayman, he had a bow! he was also in the same era as the highwaymen! 

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sCM redruM:

@ greenghost

That was brilliant...For you ladies who can't handle sarcasm, do you mind at least posting something in regards to the topic and not just addressing me...This is how posts get locked, because off-topic conversations ensue and nothing prospers from there...

And here's another question for the defendants...Are daggers and small knives going to be cut since swords are obviously more deadly??

I mean, if you think about it, swords will automatically have higher base damage from the get-go, so I'm guessing daggers are gone right?? No?? Maybe??

OK...

Why thanks, I am brilliant, heres your answer daggers are quicker and lighter, they aren't weaker than swords, swords just have more reach. I never said I agreed with the bows being removed, I think they should be in, but be balanced.....kind of like in the same regards as a sword, and a dagger. I think the more choices for weapons use the better. I never disagreed with you on this, only that I think you complain too much, it seems like all the time.

@ portarock

Are you trying to say that I'm stupid? I wasn't using that as an argument I was makeing a statement, there is a difference. I know what feedback is but, there becomes a point where a person just becomes annoyingly  obnoxious. So I like to be a smart a$$, and thell them don't buy it, then.


@ rum

What are you talking about? the era that Fable 2 is set in has guns, The handcannon  was  seen in  medieval times. Didn't you just rant about "fantasy" now your talking about how guns in Fable 2 won't reload realistically. How would guns "automatically unbalance everything" It's a fantasy game , right? You are acting a bit hypocritical.
The reloading will be more balanced, you are right you can't make a gun more powerful.
I know a lot about guns, I have extensive training in firearms use, so here it goes. The gun will benefit the hero in every aspect that the bow will, and more. The gun can have better accuracy, better range, faster reload, faster draw. The only reason I say better range is because, f your barrel has rifling the bullet will travel faster , and further, plus it will make the bullet more accurate. The first gun that to have a rifled barrel was made in germany in 1500 A.D.  As you train/use a firearm more and  more you become much more proficient you become with it. Which in turn makes you become more deadly with it, right?
Let me give you an example here......I bought a  Colt 1911  a few years back, I could shoot it very well but, as I went to the firing range more, and more, I could hit targets much easier, and faster at further distances, and I could draw my weapon faster, reload it faster. I could put bullets down range faster with more precesion.  My point here is that guns will benefit the hero, just as much as a bow, if not more. The bows biggest draw back is it's limited range. The guns biggest draw back at that time was reloading, and accuracy. I hunt a lot, I personally don't hunt with bows but I know people who do hunt with them, even the bows of today have a max range of 50-70 yrds. So imagine what that was back in the late 1700's. naturally guns do more raw damage.


@fable2cantwait

Are you insulting me? you calling me a loser, are you? Yeah well if me telling you not to buy the game makes you soo angry, then I guess you better deal with it, huh? I'm smoking Marlboro reds.  What I said is my opinion that's what the hell that is, you have a problem with me? I never said I didn't want the bows in, I was making a statement on the fact that some people complain too much, not that complaing is bad only when you do it too much, do you get what I'm saying, little boy. I am not "hurting" LH btw!! I tell people not to buy a game, when all they do is gripe, piss, and moan about everything.

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greenghost5:

sCM redruM:

@ greenghost

That was brilliant...For you ladies who can't handle sarcasm, do you mind at least posting something in regards to the topic and not just addressing me...This is how posts get locked, because off-topic conversations ensue and nothing prospers from there...

And here's another question for the defendants...Are daggers and small knives going to be cut since swords are obviously more deadly??

I mean, if you think about it, swords will automatically have higher base damage from the get-go, so I'm guessing daggers are gone right?? No?? Maybe??

OK...

Why thanks, I am brilliant, heres your answer daggers are quicker and lighter, they aren't weaker than swords, swords just have more reach. I never said I agreed with the bows being removed, I think they should be in, but be balanced.....kind of like in the same regards as a sword, and a dagger. I think the more choices for weapons use the better. I never disagreed with you on this, only that I think you complain too much, it seems like all the time.

@ portarock

Are you trying to say that I'm stupid? I wasn't using that as an argument I was makeing a statement, there is a difference. I know what feedback is but, there becomes a point where a person just becomes annoyingly  obnoxious. So I like to be a smart a$$, and thell them don't buy it, then.


@ rum

What are you talking about? the era that Fable 2 is set in has guns, The handcannon  was  seen in  medieval times. Didn't you just rant about "fantasy" now your talking about how guns in Fable 2 won't reload realistically. How would guns "automatically unbalance everything" It's a fantasy game , right? You are acting a bit hypocritical.
The reloading will be more balanced, you are right you can't make a gun more powerful.
I know a lot about guns, I have extensive training in firearms use, so here it goes. The gun will benefit the hero in every aspect that the bow will, and more. The gun can have better accuracy, better range, faster reload, faster draw. The only reason I say better range is because, f your barrel has rifling the bullet will travel faster , and further, plus it will make the bullet more accurate. The first gun that to have a rifled barrel was made in germany in 1500 A.D.  As you train/use a firearm more and  more you become much more proficient you become with it. Which in turn makes you become more deadly with it, right?
Let me give you an example here......I bought a  Colt 1911  a few years back, I could shoot it very well but, as I went to the firing range more, and more, I could hit targets much easier, and faster at further distances, and I could draw my weapon faster, reload it faster. I could put bullets down range faster with more precesion.  My point here is that guns will benefit the hero, just as much as a bow, if not more. The bows biggest draw back is it's limited range. The guns biggest draw back at that time was reloading, and accuracy. I hunt a lot, I personally don't hunt with bows but I know people who do hunt with them, even the bows of today have a max range of 50-70 yrds. So imagine what that was back in the late 1700's. naturally guns do more raw damage.


@fable2cantwait

Are you insulting me? you calling me a loser, are you? Yeah well if me telling you not to buy the game makes you soo angry, then I guess you better deal with it, huh? I'm smoking Marlboro reds.  What I said is my opinion that's what the hell that is, you have a problem with me? I never said I didn't want the bows in, I was making a statement on the fact that some people complain too much, not that complaing is bad only when you do it too much, do you get what I'm saying, little boy. I am not "hurting" LH btw!! I tell people not to buy a game, when all they do is gripe, piss, and moan about everything.

Okay, now you are insulting us and arguing with us. Who said I was a little boy? Alright right when i read all of that crap up there ^^, I literally started to laugh.

@greenghost5

This Fable 2 forum was made for our yelling and complaining because then Lionhead would know that some people, infact most people want to express their ideas, and help lionhead out when it comes to content of the game. It's our own personal chioce to complain too much or too little or not at all. You cant control that, so stop telling us that you hate our complaining too much. We don't care weather we complain to much. I like it, because I get to express all of my ideas with all of my feelings. If I'm angry, I'm not going to be like "No bows? Aww bummer!, there's always next time!"

Okay, you need to learn that people in life will say things to make you upset. You just have to handle it right, and deal with it.

Lionhead even said that they want this game to appeal to the general audience. Aka, most people. And if you weren't blind, you would see that most people that are replying to this post WANT BOWS BACK. We are the general population, you are the isolated person that hates everyone's opinion.

You can't control what I can say. You can *** at me about it, but oh WELL? Who cares. One person btching? Against many people. So be it.

Also, you dont need to so called "defend" Lionhead.. I don't think they want you to try and attack and stop others from expressing our opinions. THEY WANT TO HEAR OUR COMPLAINING AND OUR OPINIONS.

It gives them a general feel about how the people here feel about Lionhead's work of Fable 2.

Just stop attacking us. Stop trying to tell us that our opinions are incorrect. No opinion is 'incorrect'...

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III Things I want in Fable III:
More Magic in the World and Plot.
More diverse people in every aspect.
More Abilities in general; skill/strength/will.

Can you guys take your personal attacks elsewhere? Nobody needs to see these sorts of arguments going on, and it's damaging what is otherwise a decent discussion.

The fact of the matter is Lionhead feels the bow doesn't fit in. I'm sure they didn't cut it to upset people, even if that's one of the effects it has. It would certainly be beneficial for them to add it in -- one of my qualms with the original game, was that the weapon types were quite limited (if you narrowed it down to the types of weapon, and ignored the minor upgrades that better materials afforded). On the other hand, putting too many in risks the choice of weapon being a non-event, since there's just so many it doesn't matter.

One thing to keep in mind, is just because a certain weapon might be better at damage than another, it's not always a clear cut choice. Different weapons often cause a different playstyle to be necessary -- I think the point of stealth ranged is actually a one in regards to bows specifically, because while it may not have the raw damage, bows can be as quiet as a breeze.

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Even a page a day will get you there.

Tarison:

Can you guys take your personal attacks elsewhere? Nobody needs to see these sorts of arguments going on, and it's damaging what is otherwise a decent discussion.

The fact of the matter is Lionhead feels the bow doesn't fit in. I'm sure they didn't cut it to upset people, even if that's one of the effects it has. It would certainly be beneficial for them to add it in -- one of my qualms with the original game, was that the weapon types were quite limited (if you narrowed it down to the types of weapon, and ignored the minor upgrades that better materials afforded). On the other hand, putting too many in risks the choice of weapon being a non-event, since there's just so many it doesn't matter.

One thing to keep in mind, is just because a certain weapon might be better at damage than another, it's not always a clear cut choice. Different weapons often cause a different playstyle to be necessary -- I think the point of stealth ranged is actually a one in regards to bows specifically, because while it may not have the raw damage, bows can be as quiet as a breeze.

 

I could not have said that better myself. I am sure Lionhead is doing this for the benefit of the new age of the time it takes place, not to concern other peoeple. While it may have that effect, that was not the intentional effect, but rather, to create a new experience.

 

Again, while some things appeal to others, it repels others. I am sure the people at Lionhead know this is a big concern for us here at the forums, but I am sure they have more plans for the future (be creative, but don't get your hopes up). In other words, think of the possibilities and changes that can happen in such a short time.

 

These insults should stop here or be taken to Private Messaging, people surely do not want to read it here.

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Fable2CantWait:

Alright, for those of you that are yelling at us 'complainers'. We have SUCH a reason. I agree with greenghost5. If we didnt *** and complain about features that will or will not be in fable 2, then there would be absolutley NO point for this forum.

Hmm I am guessing you meant Portarock there lol

greenghost5:

@ portarock

Are you trying to say that I'm stupid? I wasn't using that as an argument I was makeing a statement, there is a difference. I know what feedback is but, there becomes a point where a person just becomes annoyingly  obnoxious. So I like to be a smart a$$, and thell them don't buy it, then.

Nope, just saying that I think saying "then don't buy it" is stupid.

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Thank you Ralph H. Baer