well if you know anything about moding a xbox 360 then your smart enough to know how to do it to not get cought exaple you probably have a masters degree in electronics or atleast took a class at a local vocational school its basic eletronics its not that hard.

If you have ever researched this subject you might realize that in the beginning you needed to mod the xbox, but that is no longer the case . . . I'm not trying to be condescending, I agree that console piracy is lower than PC piracy. However, this does not change the fact that Dashael's comment regarding the flawed logic of sacrificing all legitimate PC sales to prevent piracy is indeed sound.  Banning people from xbox live does help to keep the console piracy down, but it is not the end all to it.

Besides, a PC port costs significantly less money than the development of the game itself, so it would be financially advantageous (even given the amount of PC piracy) to migrate the game to the pc platform.

Oh, and have you ever looked for projected losses due to piracy . . . they are extremely bloated values, I am not defending piracy here, I am simply saying that the numbers do not add up to the estimated profit losses due to internet piracy. And I'm not trying to start an argument here

drewp29:

If you have ever researched this subject you might realize that in the beginning you needed to mod the xbox, but that is no longer the case . . . I'm not trying to be condescending, I agree that console piracy is lower than PC piracy. However, this does not change the fact that Dashael's comment regarding the flawed logic of sacrificing all legitimate PC sales to prevent piracy is indeed sound.  Banning people from xbox live does help to keep the console piracy down, but it is not the end all to it.

Besides, a PC port costs significantly less money than the development of the game itself, so it would be financially advantageous (even given the amount of PC piracy) to migrate the game to the pc platform.

Oh, and have you ever looked for projected losses due to piracy . . . they are extremely bloated values, I am not defending piracy here, I am simply saying that the numbers do not add up to the estimated profit losses due to internet piracy. And I'm not trying to start an argument here

I never said they shouldn't port the game. I loved the first Fable for PC. I was just stating that there's less people modding there XB360 for games than people on PC downloading. And to the other guy. There is no real way around modding and XBLive. Once you mod your XB360 and connect to XBLive. The servers pick it up and flag/ banned that account and the entire XB360. After that the XB360 console can never connect to XBLive, even if they try to make a new account.

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I am not saying a modded xbox will not get banned from Live, but you no longer need to do anything to the hardware to play copied games . . . any software encryption, anti-piracy methods, etc. that are put on a dvd can be hacked or reproduced on the copied disc such that the console sees the disc as legitimate. If the console can't tell the difference, how can the XBLive server? Piracy sucks for the game developers, but the sad fact of the matter is that it will happen from here to the end of time and nothing will stop it.  Piracy also sucks for the rest of us because we end up paying more for the games because of the lower volume of sales. Its kind of like the medical insurance situation - insurance is expensive because all of us poor shmucks who pay for it are also paying for the rest of the people who don't have insurance!

I was hoping this thread wouldn't end up going down this route . . . I was just hoping all the PC gamers that peruse these forums longingly hoping for some indication that a PC port is happening would chime in with their posts to let LH know that we are many and we would like the opportunity to revisit the land of Albion along with the rest of you LUCKY 360 players!

Piracy is not limited to the PC by far. the capabilities of the newer consoles(xbox and xbox 360)allow anyone with a little knowledege to pirate games on those consoles. So keeping the game from the PC just because of piracy is a joke. By the way piracy is bad!!! if you like a game, SUPPORT THE COMPANY THAT MADE IT!!!

360 FTW dwags

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drewp29:

I am not saying a modded xbox will not get banned from Live, but you no longer need to do anything to the hardware to play copied games . . . any software encryption, anti-piracy methods, etc. that are put on a dvd can be hacked or reproduced on the copied disc such that the console sees the disc as legitimate. If the console can't tell the difference, how can the XBLive server? Piracy sucks for the game developers, but the sad fact of the matter is that it will happen from here to the end of time and nothing will stop it.  Piracy also sucks for the rest of us because we end up paying more for the games because of the lower volume of sales. Its kind of like the medical insurance situation - insurance is expensive because all of us poor shmucks who pay for it are also paying for the rest of the people who don't have insurance!

I was hoping this thread wouldn't end up going down this route . . . I was just hoping all the PC gamers that peruse these forums longingly hoping for some indication that a PC port is happening would chime in with their posts to let LH know that we are many and we would like the opportunity to revisit the land of Albion along with the rest of you LUCKY 360 players!

It was stated on the first page that they have no plans to at the moment, which Im happy with since they can keep there attention on making the XB360 version better.

Woody:

We're not working on a PC version of Fable II...  If this changes we'll make sure you know about it on our website(s). 

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maggot:

You dont need to upgrade your graphic card every 6 month ffs, i havent updated in 2 years and my pc is still stronger than the 360... I can play mass effect better looking and with no slowdowns. Point is you only need to upgrade if you want the absolute best all the time and if you can do with a console you surely dont want that.

Also why would they run the AI through the gpu ?

My comp is 3-4 years old and fars exceeds my 360's capabilities as well, as an example...  Oblivion on 360, using the dupe glitch i can duplicate about 400 objects at once without my 360 freezing. On my PC i can duplicate 12,000 or so with about the same ammount of lag in my game.

I've never really been into PC gaming, and as such i dont know much about computer hardware, but upgrading you graphics card that often seems somehwhat geekish and unessiccary.

I agree with you. The necessity of upgrading a computer constantly is overstated. They often come out with hardware long before software to use it. If you spend wisely and time things right you can often get some pretty deals and not have to upgrade but once every couple years(Unless you want to!!!) Enthusiasts with lot's of money to throw away, that are always wanting to get as many frame rates as possible to stay on top, need to upgrade every year. Not so for the majority of people. as I've stated before I use a 3870 and don't plan on upgrading untill ATI or maybe even Nvidia comes out with their next series of architecture. the current cards aren't really that different from the older ones. That means I'll get a 2 or 3 years of use out of my current card before I upgrade and  could probably even push that to 4 years if funds were tight and still be able to play modern games. Hell in just the time I've had my card so far, I have friends that have went through 2 or 3 xbox 360's due to the ol' ring of death. Hell just the time and hassle and money that takes to deal with would make up for the occasional upgrades.

 

P.S. I have a friend that plays WOW on an old 64mb-radeon graphics card built back in the stone ages by computer standards, and it works fine for him.

chaostheory6682:

I agree with you. The necessity of upgrading a computer constantly is overstated. They often come out with hardware long before software to use it. If you spend wisely and time things right you can often get some pretty deals and not have to upgrade but once every couple years(Unless you want to!!!) Enthusiasts with lot's of money to throw away, that are always wanting to get as many frame rates as possible to stay on top, need to upgrade every year. Not so for the majority of people. as I've stated before I use a 3870 and don't plan on upgrading untill ATI or maybe even Nvidia comes out with their next series of architecture. the current cards aren't really that different from the older ones. That means I'll get a 2 or 3 years of use out of my current card before I upgrade and  could probably even push that to 4 years if funds were tight and still be able to play modern games. Hell in just the time I've had my card so far, I have friends that have went through 2 or 3 xbox 360's due to the ol' ring of death. Hell just the time and hassle and money that takes to deal with would make up for the occasional upgrades.

 

P.S. I have a friend that plays WOW on an old 64mb-radeon graphics card built back in the stone ages by computer standards, and it works fine for him.

That goes without saying, but certainly only counts for mid-range or even high-end hardware. Most people simple save money at the wrong place. If you buy a cheap low-end graphic card for about 30-60 €, you will have to buy a new one sooner than if you buy a decent graphic card for 100-200 €. The low-end sector often are refreshed chips from the last generation which makes them comparible slow and also sometimes lack newer features. Any graphic card over 250 € is for enthusiasts only and will not last longer because the performance difference to the mid-range is smaller than the price would suggest. The hardware in the 150-250 € price range usually easily lasts about 3-4 years!

The HD3870/GeForce 8800 (or their ancestors HD48xx/ GTX2xx) are pretty cards that needs no replacement for the next 2 years I think because we will only see console conversions on the PC that don't stress the hardware much. The PC hardware is too much ahead on performance for the consoles to make console games a performance hitter! Maybe quad-core CPUs become standard this year, like GTA4 already showed, but I am willinmg to upgrade the CPU anyway this year. All hail to the Phenom2!

Piracy on the PC will always be there and can not be killed. If you don't make games for the PC, but concentrate on the consoles, the pirates will all switch to that platform the sooner or later. The copy protection currently used on the PC is only penetrating the legal customer which will defintely end up like the DRM fiasco for the music industry in massively reduced sales numbers! The most reasonable apporach to fight piracy is to lower the price of a game (I am thinking about 30  €), keep a high quality (why need a patch on the first day of release?) and offer some nice service (e.g. a demo or a forum community). Also a platform wide release can not hurt. There will be less people buying a game if it is released a half or one year later than on the consoles.

Last but not least, I would of course also enjoy Fable 2 on the PC, but as I stated before, I think it is not necessary to be released this year because there are too many /promising games coming for the PC already that have a much higher priority on my list than Fable 2.

The fact that this thread has not been locked, like so many other "Fable 2 on the PC"-threads, makes me wonder if all the rumors for a PC version will not be settled in the next few weeks. Looking in my crystal ball, I see the news for March 25.: "Microsoft announces Fable 2 for PC at the Games Developer Conference in San Francisco."

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The fact that this thread has not been locked, like so many other "Fable 2 on the PC"-threads, makes me wonder if all the rumors for a PC version will not be settled in the next few weeks. Looking in my crystal ball, I see the news for March 25.: "Microsoft announces Fable 2 for PC at the Games Developer Conference in San Francisco."

Oh wise soothsayer, pray, gaze into your crystal ball once more and verify that what you see is clear, and while you're at it get me those lotto numbers so I can tell my boss to kiss my ____ and play Fable 2 all day and night for approximately 6 months!

(I'll split it with you )

It maybe true that half of users Xbox360 have a pc, but I assume less than one in ten of the pc users have a Xbox 360. It is obvious that Lionhead will make a decent profit if they release Fable2 on pc without losing too many sellings from the Xbox 360 users, since most users of Xbox360 who was expecting Fable 2 have already got the game in their box. Besides,it will satisfy everyone if Lionhead do release a pc edition of the game after a success on Xbox 360.

the later released (if there will be one) pc edition will be a successful marketing strategy.

profit, customer satisfaction, I see no reason why Lionhead is ignoring them.

Whether you can comment on it?
http://www.petitiononline.com/FBL2ONPC/petition.html

I don't understand why Lionhead want port Fable II on computers.

- PC version means more units sold. Many people don't have a 360.  Many countries even don't have access to buy 360 console. And PC is still strong market in many countries (China, Korea, Gemrany, Russia, Poland, Spain, Denmark, Norwey, etc.).

- PC version can give the players a better game experience (more resolution, better graphics, minor load times, MOD support, free online, easier to take screenshots and videos, possibility to choose control pad or keyboard/mouse, etc.)

- PC version can be sold for years. Nowadays no one can go to a mall and play Fable 1 on Xbox. Xbox is dead. But PC is stil alive, everyone can still go to a mall and buy a PC and Fable TLC to play it. And with digitial distribution (like STEAM, D2D, GamersGate, Gametap, etc.), games can live forever.



Is simple as that.

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volk93:

Whether you can comment on it?
http://www.petitiononline.com/FBL2ONPC/petition.html

Yeah, I signed that a few weeks ago even though the petition says to release the game on PC at the same time as XBox. Even though that didn't happen, I still wanted to add my name to the list. I do try to keep my comments from sounding like I am demanding they port F2 to PC, because after all, it is their choice since it is their game. I still want to play the game on PC even after reading everyone's thoughts on the shortcomings of the game. I feel the things I have read that the game excels at far outweigh the areas it falls short. A lot of people said they wish it was longer. Didn't everyone say that about F1 as well? Even after TLC came out people still complained about the length. Heck people complained about the length of Fallout3 and Oblivion which are both massive in content. The fact is, people will play 100 hours and say they wanted 200, or 200 hours and say they wanted 400, they just aren't satisfied unless they have a WoW situation of never-ending gameplay. Personally, I dislike MMORPG's because I don't ever want to HAVE to play a game to stay up with it. If I play 10 minutes or 10 hours straight of Fable, or Oblivion, or Fallout3 I can do what I want and the next time I play I'll be in the same boat as when I left. Oh, and I don't have to pay a monthly fee and feel obligated to play . . . its bad enough to deal with that for the gym!

Ultimately, I like having a story to follow, although I do like non-linear gameplay rather than the FPS style of forcing you to follow the main (only) storyline. I like being able to take the storyline as slow as I want. Like in the Lychfield Graveyard in Fable TLC, I killed every undead soldier in the place until no more would spawn, which took a long time. Most players would kill what is in front of them and continue moving along instead of backtracking and killing respawned enemies until there are no more. And then when fighting Nostro I killed all of the undead soldiers before ever taking on Nostro. The game could have been short if I didn't feel the need to kill everything and find all the Silver Keys and get enough XP in every area to level everything including magic to the top. I also got into every Demon Door and bought every building available without killing the owner to obtain it. maybe its just my style of gameplay, but this made for a lot of game time in what people were calling a 'short' game.

And I also feel like even at 60 dollars, if I play 100 hours, hey 60 cents an hour is pretty dang cheap for entertainment!

Alright, enough rambling and reminiscing! 

actually it doesnt take that long to port a game. look:
Fable(xbox)Release Date: Sep 14, 2004
Fable:TLC(xbox)Release Date: Oct 18, 2005
Fable:TLC(PC)Release Date: Sep 20, 2005

presuming that the port was started after TLC it took a little more than a month. Even if it was started  after the first one it took less than a year so it won't take that long once started

midnightfire:

actually it doesnt take that long to port a game. look:
Fable(xbox)Release Date: Sep 14, 2004
Fable:TLC(xbox)Release Date: Oct 18, 2005
Fable:TLC(PC)Release Date: Sep 20, 2005

presuming that the port was started after TLC it took a little more than a month. Even if it was started  after the first one it took less than a year so it won't take that long once started

i hope those werent supposed to be in chonological order.

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derek-poundstone? xD

Pc version makes sense. I purchased Fable TLC twice for the pc(long story). It's still installed and it still gets played. I just started a new game not to long ago. I hope that Fable 2 has that kind of replayability. Here's to a PC version. CHEERS!!!!

Ummmm, I don't understand what your post meant, please explain - looks like chronological order to me. 2004, 2005, later 2005 - is that not chronological?

drewp29:

Ummmm, I don't understand what your post meant, please explain - looks like chronological order to me. 2004, 2005, later 2005 - is that not chronological?

Uhm...  October comes after September.  Now look at the post again (copied and pasted below for reference).

"actually it doesnt take that long to port a game. look:
Fable(xbox)Release Date: Sep 14, 2004
Fable:TLC(xbox)Release Date: Oct 18, 2005
Fable:TLC(PC)Release Date: Sep 20, 2005"

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One potion makes you larger and one potion makes you small and the one Lionhead didn't give you doesn't do anything at all...

I expect the main reason we haven't seen an announcement about Fable 2 PC is precisely this, so that those of us who want the game whip ourselves into a fury of anticipation, banging on about how great the PC version of Fable 2 is going to be in any forum we can post in.

This is tremendous, free marketing for Microsoft Games Studios and Lionhead ahead of whatever marketing strategy they choose to put ahead of the eventual release.

Now I'm not advocating we stop talking about Fable 2, even if we are being exploited as a marketing tool, at least MS/Lionhead are very aware of our desire to see the PC release of the game.

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Apparently I grow a beard not only when I get angry, but also when I post stupid comments.

Most of the games on 360 are made by companies who work closely with microsoft. games like Fallout 3 and Oblivion are on 360 and pc.

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You can comment on it?
http://www.gamona.de/games/fable-2,pc:news,1369599.html
Am Montag ließ Lionhead die Bombe platzen und kündigte für Fable 2 den ersten Download-Content an. Sicherlich eine feine Sache, doch PC-Spieler möchten endlich Gewissheit haben, ob das Xbox-360-exklusive Rollenspiel auch für den PC umgesetzt wird. Immerhin war es bei der Xbox mit Fable vor ein paar Jahren ein identischer Fall, was nach ein paar Monaten schließlich für die heimischen Rechner angekündigt wurde.
Nun scheint es doch noch einen Fable 2-Gott zu geben. Aus gut unterrichteter Quelle haben wir erfahren, dass sich Fable 2 für den PC in Entwicklung befindet. Der uns mitgeteilte Releasetermin wurde mit dem 15.2.2009 datiert. Man kann aber davon ausgehen, dass sich Termine ständig ändern.

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On Monday Lionhead blew up the bomb and announced for concocting 2 first Download-Content. Finally, absolutely a fine thing, however, PC players would like to have certainty whether the Xbox 360 exclusive role plays is also moved for the PC. At least, it was with the Xbox with concocting a few years ago an identical case what was announced after a few months, finally, for the home calculators. Now, nevertheless, there still seems to be a concocting 2-God. From well informed spring we have found out that Concocting 2 is for the PC in development. The release appointment informed to us was dated with him 15.2.2009. However, one can assume from the fact that appointments change constantly.

Perhaps this has already been mentioned, but I will nevertheless point it out:

Microsoft has owned Lionhead since 2006. And, of course, Micorosft markets XBOX 360. Microsoft released its new Arcade XBOx 360 on October 23, 2007, just in time for peak holiday shopping and foreshadowing the later release of much-awaited games like Fable 2 and Fallout 3.

2 + 2 = Microsoft obviously wants to boost its XBOX hardware sales in any way it can. Restricting game releases from development entities it owns to XBOX only is a prime way to do that.

Business is business, folks.