Everybody is crazy.

Guns are stupid in that they only serve the purpose of actually injuring or killing some poor person.

Sure, the best policy for the entire world is to completely scrap all guns, every single one, and never make any again, but that'll never happen.

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alecunlimited:

matneee:

no matter how easy it is to buy one at the local supermarket/toy store/hot-dog stand.

Don't forget banks as well - very convenient that.

Speaking as someone who - like many - has not actually set foot in a real bank for about 3 years, I could never figure out how they were going to get the gun to come out of the ATM slot.

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suzanne536:

Australia experience an increase in crime after they enacted a stringent gun law.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/09/09/what-john-howard-could-teach-the-us-about-gun-control/

I live in Australia (Queensland), and in the 13 or so years I have lived here I have never seen a gun.

But there have been shootings a little north of where I live, and they have mostly been Bikies probably using illegal firearms.

It's not actually illegal to own guns in Australia though, which I think a lot of people seem to miss.

Personally I think if anything, gun laws should be at either extreme.

What needs to happen here is a crack down on illegal firearms, I could probably get a pistol if I wanted one, I might have heard $900 for 3 last year.
Fairly sure I read the Bike gangs might be getting outlawed in my state which I'm not sure is the right way to go about it but we'll see.

The reason there is such a high burglary rate here is because of the ridiculous laws about what you can and can't do to someone that is inside your property  against your will.
If someone broke into my house, I would get sued if I bashed them with my baseball bat.

Just about the only American law I've heard of that I like (I admit I don't know much about law in any country) is the whole Castle doctrine, I think we could do with some of that.

Renegade Guy:

The reason there is such a high burglary rate here is because of the ridiculous laws about what you can and can't do to someone that is inside your property  against your will.

Maybe I'm misinformed but I believe this could also be attributed to the large amount of burglars.

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But I thought the thread was about blaza being gangsta?

LethargicMotivator:

Everybody is crazy. Guns are stupid in that they only serve the purpose of actually injuring or killing some poor person. Sure, the best policy for the entire world is to completely scrap all guns, every single one, and never make any again, but that'll never happen.

Nah they have more purposes than that, guns are fun, I target practise a lot and just shooting cans or things like that is just plain fun.

However I make it a rule to never fire a gun at anything not attacking you, which is why i absolutely hate hunters, and the whole theory that guns should be banned because they can kill people is complete BS.

Baseball bats can kill people, kitchen knifes can kill people hell even a frying pan can kill people but you don't see people bitching about those everywhere...

Maybye crime would go down if everybody where allowed to bear a 12-gauge without a license in there home (obviously not in public), since nobody would dare rob a person or attack somebody in there own home

and the whole theory that guns should be banned because they can kill people is complete BS.

The gun crime rates of the the US and other countries with relaxed gun laws say otherwise.

Baseball bats can kill people, kitchen knifes can kill people hell even a frying pan can kill people but you don't see people bitching about those everywhere...

That's because baseball bats and kitchen knives aren't meant to kill people, and very rarely are used for that. The primary purpose of guns is to do damage. Yes, you think shooting stuff is brilliant fun, but you don't need a deadly weapon to do that. Or is it not as fun knowing that the weapon you're using isn't able to kill people?
Then there's the fact that it's a lot easier to defend yourself against someone with a knife or a baseball bat than against someone with a gun.

Undead---God:

But I thought the thread was about blaza being gangsta?

Nope.  This thread was so horrible that not even a deletion would do it justice.  Instead a hostile takeover was necessary.  Therefore, the thread is now about the debate regarding gun control.

NUNBERRY:

Renegade Guy:

The reason there is such a high burglary rate here is because of the ridiculous laws about what you can and can't do to someone that is inside your property  against your will.

Maybe I'm misinformed but I believe this could also be attributed to the large amount of burglars.

Which could be attributed to police only catching around 4%-14% of these burglars (Take that with a grain of salt, read it out of Zoo mag and I'm not sure I believe them).
They seem much more interested in catching people smoking pot and fining people who are going 2Km/h over the speed limit.
That said the police force where I live is lacking in manpower.

Bruuiin:

Maybye crime would go down if everybody where allowed to bear a 12-gauge without a license in there home (obviously not in public), since nobody would dare rob a person or attack somebody in there own home

I'd consider this here, as long as the laws were changed so I could actually shoot an intruder with it without going to jail.
Also heavy penalties for being caught outside with it.

Undead---God:

and the whole theory that guns should be banned because they can kill people is complete BS.

The gun crime rates of the the US and other countries with relaxed gun laws say otherwise.

Baseball bats can kill people, kitchen knifes can kill people hell even a frying pan can kill people but you don't see people bitching about those everywhere...

That's because baseball bats and kitchen knives aren't meant to kill people, and very rarely are used for that. The primary purpose of guns is to do damage. Yes, you think shooting stuff is brilliant fun, but you don't need a deadly weapon to do that. Or is it not as fun knowing that the weapon you're using isn't able to kill people? Then there's the fact that it's a lot easier to defend yourself against someone with a knife or a baseball bat than against someone with a gun.

Honestly the US can't blame there gun violence on the law, a gun just sitting there will not kill a person, but a pissed of gun owner will, it has nothing to do with the law, In Rwanda, AK47 goes for 12 bucks (and boy are they easy to get) each and they have virtiually ZERO laws against carrying a weapon, yeat people are almost never killed by firearms there.

Yeat again, guns can kill people yes, no argument there, but so can a tone of other things that people use everyday, a classic example is cars, far more people get killed by cars everyday than with guns, and some people do it on purpose but cars are still not hated as much as guns.

I enjoy guns yes, and I will be damned before I let some whining government take one of the few hobbies I have from me because other people in my country are trigger happy.

Bruuiin:

Honestly the US can't blame there gun violence on the law, a gun just sitting there will not kill a person, but a pissed of gun owner will, it has nothing to do with the law,

Of course it does. Like you said, a gun owner will kill someone. Thanks to the law a massive amount of the population is a gun owner.

Yeat again, guns can kill people yes, no argument there, but so can a tone of other things that people use everyday, a classic example is cars, far more people get killed by cars everyday than with guns, and some people do it on purpose but cars are still not hated as much as guns.

I went over this in my last post. Guns are to cause damage. Cars, knives and bats aren't.

I enjoy guns yes, and I will be damned before I let some whining government take one of the few hobbies I have from me because other people in my country are trigger happy.

Your hobby is firing a lethal weapon when there's plenty of safe alternatives, which do exactly the same thing (on cans and the like). If you choose to use a lethal weapon for fun then it's hardly a "whining government" who stops you.

Bruuiin:

Yeat again, guns can kill people yes, no argument there, but so can a tone of other things that people use everyday, a classic example is cars, far more people get killed by cars everyday than with guns, and some people do it on purpose but cars are still not hated as much as guns.

The difference being guns are made to kill people.
Cars are necessary to get around.

I once read a poem when I was at school, one of those rare occasions were I actually attended and I heard a poem, I can't remember the words or the name of the poem or even the author, what I did remember however was the moral of the poem. The poem compared a Knife to a Gun, how with a knife you could cause an agonising and pain full death as you can with a gun, then the poem I believe goes on to show the difference between a gun and a knife, you can cut rope with a knife, you can eat your dinner with a knife, you can carve wood with a knife.. the list goes on, the basic moral was despite the fact that a knife can cause pain an suffering in the wrong hands just like a gun can, the knife is a tool not a weapon, it's not designed to be a weapon, it's not manufactured as a weapon, it can be a weapon but it's not what it's for.

I here the whole a gun isn't bad a man can and will kill another man with baseball bats ect. but the people who say that need to realise that I could kill some one with my bare hands, that's not what there their for, I could kill some one with a T.V remote, Radio, piece of wood, ton of grass, window, ice pick, baseball bat, football, a video game case, cup... I could go on about this forever... but neither mentioned are designed to kill, they can be used to kill but there not designed for that... a gun is designed for one purpose only... to kill. Not to shoot cans off a wall, you can do that with a gun but it's not what it was design for, you can open a beer can with it but again that's not what it was designed for, a gun was designed for killing plain and simple.

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If Adon and Sagat step in....ah, what the hell, I'll get drunk and join in on that one.

Bruuiin:

Baseball bats can kill people, kitchen knifes can kill people hell even a frying pan can kill people but you don't see people bitching about those everywhere...

Okay, heres you choices:

I am going to hit you once in the leg with a baseball bat.
I am going to hit you once in the leg with a frying pan.
I am going to jab at your leg once with a knife.
I am going to put a shotgun to your leg and pull the trigger.


Please oh please take your choice, in fact pick your favourite three....I'm guessing you wont want your leg ruined by that shotgun though....and there lies the difference.


Sure a baseball bat can kill someone, if I repeatedly hit them with it many times, or put alot of force into a few well placed hits.   Or I use it to nudge them off a cliff.   A gun can kill someone with a single gentle squeeze of the trigger.

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Anony: Strip and all your problems will go away

umbr44:

Bruuiin:

Baseball bats can kill people, kitchen knifes can kill people hell even a frying pan can kill people but you don't see people bitching about those everywhere...

Okay, heres you choices:

I am going to hit you once in the leg with a baseball bat.
I am going to hit you once in the leg with a frying pan.
I am going to jab at your leg once with a knife.
I am going to put a shotgun to your leg and pull the trigger.


Please oh please take your choice, in fact pick your favourite three....I'm guessing you wont want your leg ruined by that shotgun though....and there lies the difference.


Sure a baseball bat can kill someone, if I repeatedly hit them with it many times, or put alot of force into a few well placed hits.   Or I use it to nudge them off a cliff.   A gun can kill someone with a single gentle squeeze of the trigger.

That's also a factor, with a Knife, Frying pan or Baseball bat they'd have to get close to use them effectively, at that range you'd stand a better chance of defending your self and disarming your opponent then say a man with a 6 shooter across the other side of the street. It takes more to kill a man with a knife or a baseball bat then it does with a gun. You can dodge a swing with a baseball bat, heck if your reactions are enough (any you can take the pain) you can even catch the baseball bat in your hand, I'd love to see some one catch or dodge bullets in real life.

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"IrishMorn"
If Adon and Sagat step in....ah, what the hell, I'll get drunk and join in on that one.

Okay, heres you choices:

I am going to hit you once in the leg with a baseball bat.
I am going to hit you once in the leg with a frying pan.
I am going to jab at your leg once with a knife.
I am going to put a shotgun to your leg and pull the trigger.


Please oh please take your choice, in fact pick your favourite three....I'm guessing you wont want your leg ruined by that shotgun though....and there lies the difference.

Why the hell would anybody shoot me in the leg or stab me in the leg?

Getting shot in the head with a shotgun, or getting stabbed in the head with a knife makes no real difference, I am dead anyway. And with a knife the attacker can just keep hacking at my body over and over again while a gun has a limited ammount of shots

Sure a baseball bat can kill someone, if I repeatedly hit them with it many times, or put alot of force into a few well placed hits.

You have watched to many movies, I have been around a lot of bad people and trust me, ONE hit is MORE THAN ENOUGH to seriously hurt or kill somebody, and with a knife it is game over unless you get medical help instantly

Of course it does. Like you said, a gun owner will kill someone. Thanks to the law a massive amount of the population is a gun owner.

The law makes no difference, criminals or people who use guns to hurt other people will get there hands on them without any trubble, and if they don't get guns they will use something else, you can't stop a killer from killing just by taking his gun away.

I went over this in my last post. Guns are to cause damage. Cars, knives and bats aren't.

I have handled a lot of guns in my life and I have NEVER hurt anything (man or animal) with them, guns may have been designed to kill but you don't have to use them for killing.

Your hobby is firing a lethal weapon when there's plenty of safe alternatives, which do exactly the same thing (on cans and the like). If you choose to use a lethal weapon for fun then it's hardly a "whining government" who stops you.

But why do I have to find another hobby when I have never caused harm to another person with my current hobby, just because other people do it does not mean I will to. The government has no right taking that joy away from me, I have done absolutely nothing wrong.

The difference being guns are made to kill people.
Cars are necessary to get around.

This hardly makes a difference, both of them can be used as a weapon but if they are handled with care they are perfectly fine to use without any chance of harming another person.

Nearly everything can be used as a weapon, I could spend the entire day writing down a list of things that people use everyday that has ended up being a murder weapon

Bruuiin:

Okay, heres you choices:

I am going to hit you once in the leg with a baseball bat.
I am going to hit you once in the leg with a frying pan.
I am going to jab at your leg once with a knife.
I am going to put a shotgun to your leg and pull the trigger.


Please oh please take your choice, in fact pick your favourite three....I'm guessing you wont want your leg ruined by that shotgun though....and there lies the difference.

Why the hell would anybody shoot me in the leg or stab me in the leg?

Getting shot in the head with a shotgun, or getting stabbed in the head with a knife makes no real difference, I am dead anyway. And with a knife the attacker can just keep hacking at my body over and over again while a gun has a limited ammount of shots

Sure a baseball bat can kill someone, if I repeatedly hit them with it many times, or put alot of force into a few well placed hits.

You have watched to many movies, I have been around a lot of bad people and trust me, ONE hit is MORE THAN ENOUGH to seriously hurt or kill somebody, and with a knife it is game over unless you get medical help instantly

Of course it does. Like you said, a gun owner will kill someone. Thanks to the law a massive amount of the population is a gun owner.

The law makes no difference, criminals or people who use guns to hurt other people will get there hands on them without any trubble, and if they don't get guns they will use something else, you can't stop a killer from killing just by taking his gun away.

I went over this in my last post. Guns are to cause damage. Cars, knives and bats aren't.

I have handled a lot of guns in my life and I have NEVER hurt anything (man or animal) with them, guns may have been designed to kill but you don't have to use them for killing.

Your hobby is firing a lethal weapon when there's plenty of safe alternatives, which do exactly the same thing (on cans and the like). If you choose to use a lethal weapon for fun then it's hardly a "whining government" who stops you.

But why do I have to find another hobby when I have never caused harm to another person with my current hobby, just because other people do it does not mean I will to. The government has no right taking that joy away from me, I have done absolutely nothing wrong.

The difference being guns are made to kill people.
Cars are necessary to get around.

This hardly makes a difference, both of them can be used as a weapon but if they are handled with care they are perfectly fine to use without any chance of harming another person.

Nearly everything can be used as a weapon, I could spend the entire day writing down a list of things that people use everyday that has ended up being a murder weapon

Haha! Dude I want to have your babies!!!!

I absolutely hate the topic of gun control, it's always filled with people that think that guns are the only weapon people use to kill each other, and with people who think that a government ban on guns somehow means that people won't get there hands on guns. I believe there was a jewelery store robbery in England a couple months back where the robbers had guns, yet England has a ban on guns.

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I'm really getting sick of red necks hunting me while I try to graze in my meadow though, Honestly I'm just doing what Moose do and they come along and try to shoot me. So I think guns should be banned.

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Saresa:

Haha! Dude I want to have your babies!!!!

I absolutely hate the topic of gun control, it's always filled with people that think that guns are the only weapon people use to kill each other, and with people who think that a government ban on guns somehow means that people won't get there hands on guns. I believe there was a jewelery store robbery in England a couple months back where the robbers had guns, yet England has a ban on guns.

No one ever said guns are the only weapon people use to kill people.

I knooowwww a baseball bat can kill someone in one it, hell last year at a pub near me a large fellow was killed by a single bare fist punch to the face.

BUT!

With other 'tools' and various sports equipment if you aren't aiming for the face or other vital areas you probably won't kill them. Broken bones and a trip to the hospital would most likely be in order, but they aren't dead.

If guns were actually outlawed altogether here (again, they aren't, guns are not illegal in Australia) eventually there would be less and less guns for the burglary inclined.

Also for personal/home defense has anyone thought of using I a taser or something?
At least you won't shred your TV or furniture.

Please, give me a legitimate reason to own a gun besides "It's in the constitution" or shooting the many people that are trying to get into your house, rape your family and all that.

Also just incase I'm making myself look like someone who just can't bear the thought of people dying etc. I'm not, I'd actually half support a cull like mentioned in another thread (But different).

Because even in a fight with a gun I would hope some people might have the decency to at least not TRY to kill you....therefore a hit to the leg would knock you over.     Though with a gun theres a bigger chance of it leading to death anyway.


I do believe I said   'or put alot of force into a few well placed hits'    But generally, a beating with a baseball bat leaves the victim alive.   I know people who have been beaten with baseball bats, I'm sure they're very glad each hit wasn't replaced with a bullet wound.



No it isn't game over unless you get immediate medical help, it depends entirely on the knife would.    But the choice between a kitchen knife to the stomache...or a bullet to the stomache.....  the knife isn't going to be fragmenting and leaving exit wounds in the body for one.

Once again, I can ask my friend who got stabbed in the hip if he'd rather somebody had done it with a gun...I think I can predict his answer though.

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Anony: Strip and all your problems will go away

Bruuiin:

Why the hell would anybody shoot me in the leg or stab me in the leg?

Getting shot in the head with a shotgun, or getting stabbed in the head with a knife makes no real difference, I am dead anyway. And with a knife the attacker can just keep hacking at my body over and over again while a gun has a limited ammount of shots

There's a very big difference actually. If you can't fight off someone who intends to kill you, then if they're close enough to stab you then your chances aren't too anyway. How close do you need to be to get shot?
Nowhere near as close as you need to be to get stabbed.
And how many shots do you think it takes to kill someone? Unless by "limited" you mean "zero" I don't think it makes much of a difference.

You have watched to many movies, I have been around a lot of bad people and trust me, ONE hit is MORE THAN ENOUGH to seriously hurt or kill somebody, and with a knife it is game over unless you get medical help instantly

You've just been preaching the wonders of guns having limited ammo. One bullet is enough to kill you, and could very easily kill you. One hit with a baseball is enough to kill you, in the same way a pint is enough to give you alcohol poisoning.

The law makes no difference, criminals or people who use guns to hurt other people will get there hands on them without any trubble, and if they don't get guns they will use something else, you can't stop a killer from killing just by taking his gun away.

Except they don't. You're arguing against the facts, it won't work.
It doesn't even make any logical sense. You seriously think someone's going to go through all the trouble (and there's certainly a lot of it, despite what you seem to think) just so they can rob you or randomly attack you? Illegal guns and ammo are expensive, they're not going to waste it on you.

I have handled a lot of guns in my life and I have NEVER hurt anything (man or animal) with them, guns may have been designed to kill but you don't have to use them for killing.

So? Guns are, literally, killing machines. Surely the fact you think it's a toy is just another reason they should be more strictly controlled?

But why do I have to find another hobby when I have never caused harm to another person with my current hobby, just because other people do it does not mean I will to. The government has no right taking that joy away from me, I have done absolutely nothing wrong.

You play with something designed to kill. That's doing something wrong.

You're putting your own stubborn enjoyment (you're using a lethal version of a weapon when that's not even necessary) in front of the lives of other people. Yes, that is doing something wrong.

This hardly makes a difference,

Yes it does.

both of them can be used as a weapon but if they are handled with care they are perfectly fine to use without any chance of harming another person.

How do you handle a gun carefully then? What would you handle it for?
Oh yes, to play games with.


Your only reason to have a deadly weapon seems to be you think shooting cans is fun. Well, you can do that without a deadly version of it.

Saresa:

I absolutely hate the topic of gun control, it's always filled with people that think that guns are the only weapon people use to kill each other, and with people who think that a government ban on guns somehow means that people won't get there hands on guns. I believe there was a jewelery store robbery in England a couple months back where the robbers had guns, yet England has a ban on guns.

I hate to break it to you but you just joined the anti-gun lobby. Yes, those robbers had guns. And it was such a big deal that they were so heavily armed that it made not just the national news but international news. In the US you could have had the same hardware in every house in an estate and no one would have batted an eyelid. Banning guns is not the answer to preventing guns ever being used in a violent crime, but it will sure as *** stop all the casual gun crime. Over here there are 4 groups who have the guns : Farmers, the Garda (police) Rapid Response team, the splinters of the 'Ra that refuse to surrender and the druggie gangs. Farmers only shoot trespassers, the 'Ra only shoot protestants and bank staff, the druggies shoot each other and the Garda can't pull the trigger without writing a short novella about the experience. All in all, ordinary people are perfectly safe, and drunk gangsta types have to resort to buying an electric chainsaw from B&Q and hoping they catch their quarrie before they run out of extension cord. Problem solved!

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maggot:

Do you think a raptor would fit into the trunk of the 1962 cadillac ?

Hey, Cadillacs & Dinosaurs, they were made for each other. That's like asking if a Bonnie would go along with a Clyde.

 

Shisou:

When guns are illegal, the few that are around do a lot more damage because no one can stand up to them.  If the drunk man had known you had a gun, he would not have attacked you.  Therefore, guns for everyone so no one uses 'em!  It's the Mutually Assured Destruction Principle from the Cold War.  Also, guns are cool and they make loud noises!

Totally agree! I think the Republican party actually drew up a formula to prove that a Weapons dangerousness increases directly to it's scarcity, that's why they want to flood the states with weapons to reduce the possible harm done by them, while in future sending out troops with only one rifle to maximise it's use.

The only problem is I know the priciple of mutually assured destruction, and you know it, but the drunk doesn't.

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-Jean-Luc Goddard

Bruuiin:

LethargicMotivator:

Everybody is crazy.

Guns are stupid in that they only serve the purpose of actually injuring or killing some poor person.

Sure, the best policy for the entire world is to completely scrap all guns, every single one, and never make any again, but that'll never happen.

Nah they have more purposes than that, guns are fun, I target practise a lot and just shooting cans or things like that is just plain fun.

However I make it a rule to never fire a gun at anything not attacking you, which is why i absolutely hate hunters, and the whole theory that guns should be banned because they can kill people is complete BS.

Baseball bats can kill people, kitchen knifes can kill people hell even a frying pan can kill people but you don't see people bitching about those everywhere...

Maybye crime would go down if everybody where allowed to bear a 12-gauge without a license in there home (obviously not in public), since nobody would dare rob a person or attack somebody in there own home

So everybody has a shotgun, but nobody is going to rob or attack anybody with said shotgun because taking it outside is forbidden?

That's preposterous, if everybody has a gun, there are some people that would use one outside of protecting their family, no matter what the law is.

For all weapons, I'd say if you need it for something, then you can have it. If you want it for fun, then no, you can't have it.

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