Quoting: Undead---God

Look, if you're ignoring what I'm saying then there's little poit talking with you. It's like talking with a brick wall... Let me explain this slowly. If they were his old friends, they were his old friends. That's that. End of. Not blind speculation like yours against a piece of solid evidence. Friends of old. I doubt his grammar would make no sense at all for one line in the entire game just so it would be convenient for you.

I have been paying attention to what you are saying, I was just posting my opinion, if you are going to insult me for something that I haven't done and then claim that your argument must be right be repeating one piece of speech over and over again then I'll leave if you want. I know you think that I'm not listening to you but I am, and I'm posting an alternative theory (yes, THEORY, just like your THEORY). You say that I am speculating on a hard fact, but your only so called "Hard Fact" is that he says "My Old Friends" (and yes, that does mean Friends of Old, well done). You say that this must mean that his Old Friends were the Aztecs contolled by Nemisis, but If you actually read my posts instead of Repeating the same post in different ways, then saying I am just like a Brick Wall, then acting like one yourself, then you will see that we have actually given evidence that My Old Friends doesn't represent Nemisis' Aztecs, and that you yourself are just speculating and saying that the way we take the sentence makes no sense, maby if you actually read our posts rather than dismissing them out of hand as rubbish then you would see that our version of it is the same as yours, but we have given evidence that you have no 'Solid Evidence'. Anyway, this thread is getting way to 'Spammed Up' so I'm going to leave and let you argue with someone else.

I'm not insulting you, I'm completely perplexed how your still saying there's evidence to say that he isn't Nemesis and not posting it, and saying that that scenario is the same as something that might be evidence saying he is. I never said it was solid evidence that he was Nemesis, did I? No. I said it was solid evidence that they were his old friends, and not some of the ever more exagerated alternatives people are coming out with. And that's in reference to him being a soul that's undead without ever being alive or dead. I've read your posts, commented on them, and I'm not acting like a brick wall. Acing like a brick wall is saying "Ah, but we do have evidence.", then when questioned about it saying things like "Well, here's some speculation against your evidence." and then, when told that's not evidence, you go back to "Ah, but we do have evidence.". Take a look back at your previous posts. And, for future reference, learn what spam means and don't falsely accuse people you've tried to insult of insulting you. It's fairly irritating.

 Quoting: Undead---God

I'm not insulting you, I'm completely perplexed how your still saying there's evidence to say that he isn't Nemesis and not posting it, and saying that that scenario is the same as something that might be evidence saying he is. I never said it was solid evidence that he was Nemesis, did I? No. I said it was solid evidence that they were his old friends, and not some of the ever more exagerated alternatives people are coming out with. And that's in reference to him being a soul that's undead without ever being alive or dead. I've read your posts, commented on them, and I'm not acting like a brick wall. Acing like a brick wall is saying "Ah, but we do have evidence.", then when questioned about it saying things like "Well, here's some speculation against your evidence." and then, when told that's not evidence, you go back to "Ah, but we do have evidence.". Take a look back at your previous posts. And, for future reference, learn what spam means and don't falsely accuse people you've tried to insult of insulting you. It's fairly irritating.

What everybody is tryin' to tell-- Ow! Brick wall. ^ Ba-dum tsh!

By him saying "my old friends" does indeed not say why they are his old friends and is no hard evidence for anything. So the speculation is on both sides and can of course never be cleared except from one the story writers from LH. I for myself are on the opinion that the undead soldiers are his friends because he brought them back to life when he was born as well as they were the sacrifice that brought him into this world. They depend on each other, you could say, hence why they are his old friends. Also if he was Nemesis, don't you think he would have recognised you from the first time you met him and call for meeting an unpaid bill? Instead of this he is generally against you because you are the only other god around and also represent the "other" side, life. Maybe someone should write Sam a PM if he can ask one of the story tellers at LH.

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"*** the World and drop the Neutron!"

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What everybody is tryin' to tell-- Ow! Brick wall. ^ Ba-dum tsh!

What everybody is tryin' to tell-- Ow! Attention seeking kid. ^ Ba-dum tsh!

now then heres my theory, with enough will power you can pull out a god from a void, The void you were in (where u were created) required a familys call for help to save their son, nemisis being traped in a void that might be similar to yours had massive will power to pull him out. ( sacrifices) and maybe the reason why he is "undead" is because the type of prayer to pull u out is what shape or what ull become. Now ive seen some arguements that the old nemisis what calm and in control so how could this abrupt abomination be nemisis? simple Nemisis wnated to be the only god, wanted all control. Sounds like a megalomaniac to me now dont it? (megalomaniac= person who wants power and control) when you meet him he has all the power he could want which is probaly why he is in such control! when he comes back hes on the fritz fpr being trapped so long iwhth nothing to control. And maybe raising obbident dead to due his biding was the only way now he could find ways to control things since you own all basically. Thats my theory on it Lend me some feed back! :D

perhaps the word "born" has more then the meaning of a new youth. Where are the gods born? that is a question.... we all know every time some one prayes a god is born... but it doesnt nescicarly mean you were born as the sence of a woman to a baby maybe being born from a diffrent realm into eden? who knows. My point is Nemsis could have been reborn from w.e place he was traped in due to prayer power (if u read my post above)

It's a very interesting and possible theory. However, the BW2 boards seem to be fairly empty... they're picking up a bit though, but not this section, so don't expect much of a response .

that u responded though :D, been trying to get questions answerd on bw 1 but no one answers, guess not many people on the forums.

Ok this will stop the discussion "DEAD" of perhapse undead.
Those of us who wiated for the game to come out would read the pre-launch interviews heres what the Lead Designer for BOTG had to say......
The expansion pack once again puts players back into competition against a rival God; can you elaborate on this decision for us and perhaps share a little information on the rival God (will it be a return from B&W1) and any changes to the structure of the gameplay as a result?

Eden had become a godless place between the original title and the sequel. The desperate prayers of the Greek people brought you into existence, the sole deity within Eden. The Aztecs were eventually beaten; but some survived and through sacrifices and prayers they have managed to raise an deity to help them with revenge on you!

There were a multitude of reasons to bring back an enemy god; the most compelling was that it provides a much better opponent for one!

The enemy god has no connection with B&W1; he's upset and he wants you out of the way so he can take control of the whole of Eden. The gameplay is certainly more exciting now you have an equal to contend with! Start practicing your shield miracle now!

"The enemy god has no connection with B&W1"
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The full article is linked to in the Lionhead News Archives link below.
http://www.lionhead.com/bw2/news/280
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If the chief designer of the game says its not a God from B&W! then thats enough for me.

My god, undead how many accounts have you got?!

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TPK:

I also like the Hermit he's so badass

ihuntreindeerYAY:

hermit you never cease to amaze me!

fablefinatic:

dude anything is possible for a guy who calls himself a hermit

I'm a God! No lie

My god, how bloody annoying, rude and spamful can you be?

If you're going to carry on being as rude as hell to people, stop expecting people to treat you well. I've told you so many times Zatl is my fanfic account, why you want to keep whinging about it I have no idea.

Gremxula:

Ok this will stop the discussion "DEAD" of perhapse undead.
Those of us who wiated for the game to come out would read the pre-launch interviews heres what the Lead Designer for BOTG had to say......
The expansion pack once again puts players back into competition against a rival God; can you elaborate on this decision for us and perhaps share a little information on the rival God (will it be a return from B&W1) and any changes to the structure of the gameplay as a result?

Eden had become a godless place between the original title and the sequel. The desperate prayers of the Greek people brought you into existence, the sole deity within Eden. The Aztecs were eventually beaten; but some survived and through sacrifices and prayers they have managed to raise an deity to help them with revenge on you!

There were a multitude of reasons to bring back an enemy god; the most compelling was that it provides a much better opponent for one!

The enemy god has no connection with B&W1; he's upset and he wants you out of the way so he can take control of the whole of Eden. The gameplay is certainly more exciting now you have an equal to contend with! Start practicing your shield miracle now!

"The enemy god has no connection with B&W1"
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The full article is linked to in the Lionhead News Archives link below.
http://www.lionhead.com/bw2/news/280
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If the chief designer of the game says its not a God from B&W! then thats enough for me.

When a game designer says something, it doesn't mean it's true. It changes, it might be a lie, anything. Black and White itself is full of these. The combined power of the creeds in BW1 didn't make you any more powerful, for example. If the chief designers were to be any reliable evidence in something like this, Birdo from the Mario games would have been male and female, sometimes both at the same time depending on where you are in the world. Your creature in BW2 would be "fully customisable". You can hardly call something like that evidence.

 

EDIT: Well, I've looked at it and you can hardly say that it's concrete stuff. Or anything at all reliable, for that matter.

"It ties in with the story at the end of B&W2 where remaining Aztecs are seen praying for a god"

Well, the remaining Aztecs pray for a god which lands in the day on a large land mass. In BOTG, the god is an entirely different colour and arrives at night.

 

"The Aztecs were eventually beaten; but some survived and through sacrifices and prayers they have managed to raise an deity to help them with revenge on you!"

When you raise something, it's been buried. That wording makes it seem like he's really trying to portray the god as a new one even though it's not really, and were planning on making this known later on.

 

They also said they'd release a patch for multiplayer play .

You may have missed the date but 6th april '06 is important.
The game shipped worldwide on the 28th it takes a minimum of 28 days and usually 60 from the time a game goes "gold" until it is shipped for release.
There was no time for changes.
There is no point telling lies about what will be in a game after has gone to be published and the world will see in 3 weeks. Philip Robinson was talking about the finished game, not some product under development.

So they are the facts as the people who wrote the game see them.
 Believe what you will but in the end if the one of the Authors  says no connection  after the game is finished ,  then  it is true.  Lies at this stage would "muddy the waters"  and harm sales. The very last thing any one would want from a new game/expansion.
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MP  was always a maybe never it is in.
Like many other options like taking your B&W1 creature to 2.

Mystery doesn't decrease sales, it does the total opposite, which is what they do want. Anyway, if you're going to take things like that as hard evidence you also have to say that sacrifices raise a dead god, only pure prayers bring a new one, which the developers also said as well as in game and the manual.

Believe what you want.
The simple facts are...
1. The chief designer said the BOTG God had nothing to do with B&W1! This is talking about a finished game. No mistery just the normal hype.
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Mystery would have been this may be one of the B&W1 gods but whitch one!!

2.The BOTG god wants to take you out the old gods were happy to let you set up house and not really bother you  this god wants you dead.
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The Undead  God  is not Nemesis.
 The game designer says you are wrong !
The way the game plays  says you are wrong.!
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Who cares  who wins points here the truth is there for all to see.!!!

Gremxula:

Believe what you want.
The simple facts are...
1. The chief designer said the BOTG God had nothing to do with B&W1! This is talking about a finished game. No mistery just the normal hype.
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Mystery would have been this may be one of the B&W1 gods but whitch one!!

2.The BOTG god wants to take you out the old gods were happy to let you set up house and not really bother you  this god wants you dead.
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The Undead  God  is not Nemesis.
 The game designer says you are wrong !
The way the game plays  says you are wrong.!
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Who cares  who wins points here the truth is there for all to see.!!!

Look bub, you can sort out your attitude problem right now .

 

This is an in game discussion. How can something that someone says in reality have any effect upon a discussion about how the undead god could be Nemesis? Whether or notthe game designers say he is or isn't is of relevance as anything else outside the game. This is a discussion about the BW storyline, not the adventures of the Lionhead games company staff and co. This is a discussion, about the in game stats, for enjoyment. Not an argument for the entertainment of some little prat to see "the truth" or flame your way to hell. Why you want to spoil a prefectly decent thread I have no idea. You don't have any idea what this thread is even about, and you're acting like some spoilt arrogant brat. Sort out this pathetic "I'm right, I is teh leet" attitude or just leave the forums, or at least learn how to talk about the game and undertsnad discussions, and even then if you insist on getting it wrong do so with a slight hint of manners .

Why are you acting like this? From what I've seen, you've always managed to keep a sliver of civilcy within your posts. What's with the rudeness, the trolling, the flaming, the arrogance and all the time saying you;re right when you're completely wrong (about the entire thread)?

 

And now you're plain lying about the in game stuff! First BW land - Nemesis tries to destroy you since you're another god. Hardly letting you "set up house", not the saying by the way, and then he does the same in the second land to Kazaar, constantly attacking you throughout since... you're another god.

 

And yes, I will ignore you obviously... I have little interest in those who would be banned if they actually went outside a dead area of the boards into the parts where admins and mods visit much.

This is my last post on this topic as quite frankly I am bored with the whole thing.
The simple answer to the the "original question" as I have stated before and given info from the people who made the game.
There is no connection between the undead god and Nemesis, this is how the game was written. This is the end of story as far as I am concerned.
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I  do not mean to flame you as most people know I'm just here to help when I can and present the facts in the best way I can.
I am not perfect and sometimes I get confused with English but  if someone sells me a goat in the market, I check up with the farmer that he sold the trader a goat . Then why would I belive my neibour  that says my goat is a camel.
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If you want to argue that my goat is a camel thats fine with me.
I just thought you were looking for the truth and trying to help.
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Gremxula:

The simple answer to the the "original question" as I have stated before and given info from the people who made the game.
There is no connection between the undead god and Nemesis, this is how the game was written. This is the end of story as far as I am concerned.

But it has nothing to do with it whatsoever! As this thread has alaos been, this is about in game stuff about how he could be. Whether or not you want to be pompous and arrogant like you have been in that post again, I don't care but saying that you can possibly be right you just prove that you're as far from the truth as possible.

I myself don't think that Nemesis is the undead god found in BOTG , i don't even think that this new god is 'undead'. I believe, since he was called upon by many, many corpses as sacrifices (do you really need sacrifices to call a god?) he was born as a god with power over the undead and a blood-lust craving. Nemesis (if i remember correctly which i may not) was the aztec god?

Anyway, gods were said to have vanished in the books found in the tribute menu in B&W2 and BOTG. Also it was said somewhere that gods are born out of despiration and pure prayers so previous gods can't really get another 'life' can they?

This is all what i think about Nemisis's link to the undead god (if there is one).

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From now untill i next look at myself in a mirror, i don't know what i look like.

i think undead---god, needs to look at himself, he is just saying that everything everyone else says ie totally wrong, and that everything he says is true fact...
it is imposible for a got to return from the void, if anyone has played CI, they will note that rufus, tries to impress the vilaghes and cant, if it was possible to return from the void, he would have been able to impress the vilagers, and through their belief in him, and his god, they would have summoned his god back from the void, and even if he could not impress them, he would not have tried to join his master in the void
  if anyone has noticed, you have a new creature in b&w2, it is the creature that holds the power of the creed (note, you canot touch the creed only your creature can( and that is why you no longer had the power of the creed. in addition you are a norse god in b&w1, so, the undead god if he allready existed would not have to be an astec god
  furthuermore if the undead god was nemesis, dont you think he would have been wary of you still having the creed, and been more secretive and cautious? or posibly collected three peices of the creed, it would have been easy, all he would have to do was find the remains of three long-dead creatures from the age of gods, and he would have three peices of the creed (there is a creed in every creature...) also at the end of b&w1 you SEAL nemesis in the void with the creed power, not simply banish him to it like gods are normally! also, the undead god probually isn't a past god, as he would return, i seem to remember reading that he was CREATED by the thousands of sacrafices.
also, when botg was created, the creators probually thought
     "we need a god, but we also want something slightly different, how about an undead god!"
they probually had no god in mind to base him on
oh and finally, a god is controlled by the people, the god needs to fofill some desires of the people, if a god just went around killing his people, hwe would eventuallly have none levt, and without any worshipers, a god is banished to the void, and only the power of the creed can stop that (as implied by nemesis at the end of b&w1 when you kill/"realign" his vilagers)and that is only a temperary mesure...

Oh dear...

A noob who can't even read now ...

Most people who join a forum don't go round flaming people and making stuff up about them on their first day, y'know. Hardly the greatest way to make a first impression, don't you agree?

 

Though you had a very well written post, the complete noobiness of the very first sentence destroys all credibility. Shame, that.

 

A note of caution for the future, both online and in reality, asccusing people of things you know full well they haven't done is only going to make you enemies, not friends. But if you want people hating you, carry on as you are - you're doing briliantly !

so your basically saying, the whole of my first paragraph is totally wrong and everything you say is solid fact
and i'm not accusig you of something i know you havn't done, im accusing you ov something that EVERYONE knows full well you HAVE done
oh and by the way, im not a person to make snap judgements on wether or not i like someone, but reading your posts, i have, so i dont care what you think of me, and im not going to lower myself you your level by insulting you any furtur, not that i need to, your posts insult youself!

so your basically saying, the whole of my first paragraph is totally wrong and everything you say is solid fact

Noo... I'm saying that walking into a thread and flaming someone isn't the best ever way to make anything you say be taken seriously.

 

and i'm not accusig you of something i know you havn't done, im accusing you ov something that EVERYONE knows full well you HAVE done

Well, considering the very first sentence of that post I think we can plainly see you're just further digging yourself into a massive hole .

 

If you weren't going to "lower" yourself to my level you wouldn't walk into a thread and insult someone . If you have a problem with me, take it to PMs. If you're too cowardly to do that, just grow up and stop breaking the rules. Ok?

 

Now, if we turn the situation around, I think we can see who's not lowering themselves down the other's level.

You: Walk into a thread and flame someone you don;t even know because they disagree with you. You proceed to make stuff up about them, then further accuse them of saying something they didn't in your next post.

Me: Not flaming you at all, just saying it's hardly the best idea to get yourself taken seriously.

 

Yup, you really are the standard of manners we all want to reach! I just so wish that I could be like you .

After all, ignorance is bliss.

 

Edit: And, just so you know, someone like you not liking me is, in my eyes, high praise. Sorry to be harsh, but there are people in this world who deserve it.

 

Edit again: Look, I'm still chuckling away at how you can accuse me of saying that I'm right and everyone else is wrong. I mean, if I was the one who said "You're wrong" twice in the same post I could understand it, but since I never have... nope, I'm baffled still. I mean, if you still want to persist in your trolling and claiming I'm saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong, then you have two slight (well, fairly massive...) obstacles to overcome.

 

1-Why would I bother making the thread? And yes, before you ask, that is me.

2-Why would I say the peopel I agree with are wrong? It seems you believe that I think the undead god is Nemesis. Sorry, you're miles off the mark. I've said there's not much to say he couldn't be, but I've also said I don't think he is. So, next time, if you insist on flaming people and making stuff up about them, at least don't walk into some kind of oxymoron type trap . Perhaps these things happen in your world, where if people were to go up to  people of the same viwepoint and say "I'm right and you're wrong" they can actually be taken seriously, but here we are in a thing called reality.

i didn't flame you, i simply said that you should stop acting all high nd mighty, two people have left this tred because they were getting peed off with you, as i did read the entire thread
also, to disregard an entire message as you didn't like the first paragraph, is babyish and idiotic...

Nope, I said that the first sentence destroyed all credibility of you (as well as showing you don't even know what the thread's about, but we'll go through that in a minute). Your message, like I did in fact say earlier, was well written. But you can't accuse people of things they haven't done and then expect to be treated with respect. The world just simply doesn't work that way. Respect is earned, but easily destroyed. Since you didn't do the first but have done teh second, is it any surprise I'm not treating you with respect? If you do find it surprising, then I feel sorry for you. Perhaps it's you who's acting so high and mighty? Treat people the way you want to be treated and all that jazz. Insult people and make things up about them all you like, if that's what makes you happy. Just don't expect people to take you even remotely seriously.

And as for the two people leaving, they didn't even understand the thread - and, as we can all see, neither do you. There is no right or wrong answer since there is no answer to a discussion about how he could be Nemesis. Your post would have made sense, fit in perfectly and given me a very impression of you if the first sentence didn't show you can't read properly (or make things up about people, I'm going to choose the other one since ignorance is much better than lies), you're rude, you don't even understand the thread and you expect everyone to respect you suddenly even though you've been here a day and you act like you're in charge of the place. The answer to the question "Is Xoatl Nemesis?" is very clearly no. Anyone who is saying otherwise really needs their head checked. So how you can possibly argue even still that I'm trying to act high and mighty I don't know.