No. A god is born out of prayer, not because they are desperate. So to say, if a person prays to the heavens for food, a god appears (if their prayers haven't already given birth to a god.)

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a true prayer can only be said by a desperate person, thats kind of what makes it a true prayer, they explain that in the begining of both the games. if a person wishes for food, when they have plenty then no god will be born, if a person wishes for food to save their 1 year old child from starvation after all their other family members have starved to death then a god will be born to help them. which is why a god was born from that aztec man's prayer at the end of B n W 2 and why you woke up again from that greek womans prayer in the begining of B n W 2. and the reason why you were born in BnW1 to save that child.

A God is banished to the VOID if he looses all the believers. Now... in BW You actually KILL Nemesis with the THREE CREEDS... remember? An UnDead God? Poseidon is a Sea God... Hermes a Messenger God... they are related to their afinitties, not to their nature.

the bottom line is Nemesis is gone. for good.

You needed three creeds to become as powerful as Nemesis. And with that power you sealed him in the void.

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oh yeah, the three creeds, doesn't that mean you still have them? so any new gods in Black and white 3 or whatever would be easy bait for you.

Probably lost when you went to sleep. And, whether Nemesis was killed, or sealed in the void, he can't be resurrected, or unsealed: The power to resurrect the dead comes after the undead god, and I doubt if even prayer is enough to overcome the power of the 3 creeds to unseal him. (If indeed he is merely sealed in the void)

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In the beggining...(at least on bw2) a PURE PRAYER would summon any god... nemesis was banished because we took all his belivers and used the three creeds to destroy his temple... And the end of bw2 the Aztec leader prayed (with PURE EVIL in his heart) for a GOD to overwhelm the greeks... He offered corpses as sacrifices... So I think he is called the GOD of the UnDead... or UnDead God... not cause he is undead.

we'll never know anything about the undead god, but we do know he is not nemesis. END OF.

 Quoting: Brutus_

we'll never know anything about the undead god, but we do know he is not nemesis. END OF.

Wow, most ridiculous post of the year . "We'll never know and because of that I can disregard loads of evidence both ways and say that he isn't." Lol, funny.

he isn't nemesis! if he was, he would have said, it really seems like somthing you would mention if you had been locked away for an undisclosed amount of time and you finally had a chance to get revenge at the one who sent you their. the fact that he said nothing, is proof.

 Quoting: Brutus_

he isn't nemesis! if he was, he would have said, it really seems like somthing you would mention if you had been locked away for an undisclosed amount of time and you finally had a chance to get revenge at the one who sent you their.

Any reason for that? And anyway, he said loads that would indicate that he was Nemesis, you just disregard it as I said. No god would be stupid enough to say "oh, btw, I is Nemesis R0ckorz"

the fact that he said nothing, is proof.

Even though he did, and even if he didn't that would be meaningless.

he would have said somthing like "i have returned" or when he ttacks he might say somthing like " this time it will be i who destroys you," or "now i will have my revenge" he has mentioned nothing of ever being in Eden before, aside from calling the aztec soilders his old friends.

So what you;re saying can be translated into: "Yes he did say he'd been on Eden before and commanded the Aztecs but since that's too subtle and we can bring up some other, bizarre and pointless theory to explain that we have no choice but to ignore it."

Hmm thats one thing I never really understood, did the creeds do anything? I.e make your spells stronger etc Or Were they just there for the storyline?

their for the story i think, i never noticed any more strength in my spells after i got the creeds. if he was their he would have said somthing more than "my old friends," that is the only hint that the undead god is nemesis and its just not enough to prove it.

So what you're saying is that he randomly decided to call total strangers he'd never met before his old friends? By old friends that means that they are his friends and have been for a while. You can't discount it merely because it proves he's him.

Undead God isn't Nemesis, uh, err, Undead---God. You have one itsy bitsy scrap of evidence suggesting he's maybe a former god ... and that's it. #1. Nemesis wasn't the only god to ever rule some Aztecs. #2. Nemesis wasn't ever exactly lacking confidence. "No god would be stupid enough to say 'oh, btw, I is Nemesis R0ckorz'" Wha'? The first thing I'd expect outta Nemmy's mouth would be a monologue about how he's back and he's awesome and how he's gonna have ta choke a bitch. #3. Aforementioned 'bitch' being you. You know, the god who made him dead in the first place? I'd maybe expect him to be kinda pissed you killed him. I mean, kinda pissed at you specifically. #4. If anything, the developers knew people would speculate that Undead God was Nemmy and wanted to tease us by having him drop that line about old friends. #5. I interpreted that line as him just trying to coerce the dead back to life. "Rise, friends, you look great ... now go kill people!"

If that post wasn't full of contradictions it might deserve a serious response .

Really? 'Cause I think it's pertty. It's a pertty argument and I think you're jealous.

 Quoting: decrescent

Really? 'Cause I think it's pertty. It's a pertty argument and I think you're jealous.

Ok? You think I'm jealous? Well, besides that a six year old wouldn't be jealous of an argument like that, how about I present you with one that blows it out of the water? Right, as we can tell from the game this god isn't stupid, so why he would inconveniently make a grammatical error that can only mean one thing, him having ruled the Aztecs, instead of another meaning he meant to say is beyond me, especially since he never made a mistake in speach again. Also, from the word go he knew how to use miracles, raise the dead, etc., yet when new gods are born, BW1 for example, they have to go through the whole training process, creature selection process, etc. (not counting the whole thing in BW2, though that would further prove my point). Yet this god is more powerful than you as soon as he arrives. A newborn god can't have that power; all new gods have an equal strength. Also, yes, he very clearly does have a grudge against you, the god. Out of every single race he could have taken, out of every leader he could have attacked, he for some reason decided to choose to go against another god, and a strong one at that. Why would any god, newborn or not, go after the most powerful foe on the planet, that has defeated the strongest foe and has taken rule of the strongest race? One hell of a grudge is all I can think of, perhaps you can think of another? And what would make this grudge? Sending him to the void would probably justify a grudge that blinds him from common sense... And, about my one "crappy" piece of evidence, at least it's more than the evidence against it, none. By your logic, that would mean he definetly is Nemesis.

Lets seeeeeeeeee ...

Ok? You think I'm jealous? Well, besides that a six year old wouldn't be jealous of an argument like that, how about I present you with one that blows it out of the water?

JEALOUS!

Right, as we can tell from the game this god isn't stupid, so why he would inconveniently make a grammatical error that can only mean one thing, him having ruled the Aztecs, instead of another meaning he meant to say is beyond me, especially since he never made a mistake in speach again.

Any mad scientist or evil medical doctor will tell you that the first thing they do when they make evil monsters is call them their babies. Undead God was calling his creations his old pals because they're dead ... and it's just what evil baddies do. And you can take that to the bank. Deposit that shit. And live off the interest. $$$$!

Also, from the word go he knew how to use miracles, raise the dead, etc., yet when new gods are born, BW1 for example, they have to go through the whole training process, creature selection process, etc. (not counting the whole thing in BW2, though that would further prove my point).

... This is called game mechanics. You see, we're human beings in the real world playing a game. It's imperative that we actually learn how to do stuff. Like, how to look under rocks for miracle seeds and press shift and the left arrow key to rotate. I'm pretty sure that all gods inherently aren't retarded and know how do simple stuff like this through godly means. How awful would it be if Undead God showed up and the cinematic was a montage of him learning how to pick up rocks and zoom in and out and how to save and load his games? Also, I'm pretty positive baby Creatures just don't stand around in one spot hoping a random godling shows up and taps it on the head. This too is an example of game mechanics.

Yet this god is more powerful than you as soon as he arrives. A newborn god can't have that power; all new gods have an equal strength.

Right. Because Undead God was born in way totally not unique from every other god ever. That damn manual that comes with the game had me goin', but you're not gonna buy into that line are you?

Also, yes, he very clearly does have a grudge against you, the god. Out of every single race he could have taken, out of every leader he could have attacked, he for some reason decided to choose to go against another god, and a strong one at that. Why would any god, newborn or not, go after the most powerful foe on the planet, that has defeated the strongest foe and has taken rule of the strongest race? One hell of a grudge is all I can think of, perhaps you can think of another? And what would make this grudge? Sending him to the void would probably justify a grudge that blinds him from common sense...

Well, for one, a god is born to answer a prayer. Whadda you think the Aztecs wanted? They probably wanted the Greeks iced. Ta-da! Also, the goal of all gods is to be the god. To be God. And the guy just didn't whoosh out of a vortex and start fireballin' you in the face. By the time he interacts with you he's conquered one Japanese land, a big ol' island of Norse folks and he's smashed the Greek homeland to bits.

And, about my one "crappy" piece of evidence--

I said it was a scrap of evidence, but keep going ...

--at least it's more than the evidence against it, none. By your logic, that would mean he definetly is Nemesis.

... JEALOUS!

How old are you? Your profile puts you at 84... my guess is mroe like 11, and that's being generous since not many younger people want to go on forums. why do I think that? Well, anyone older would have the common sense to know that htings like...

 Quoting: decrescent

Lets seeeeeeeeee ... JEALOUS!

Deposit that shit And live off the interest. $$$$!

... JEALOUS!

Are merely signs you are in a desperate situation, you realise that I'm in no way jealus and none of your arguments are holding up at all, and your babyishness is the only way out. Which it isn't, since that won't work. The only way out is to stop posting rubbish and actually start to think about your points.

Any mad scientist or evil medical doctor will tell you that the first thing they do when they make evil monsters is call them their babies. Undead God was calling his creations his old pals because they're dead ... and it's just what evil baddies do. And you can take that to the bank.

Thing is, there are none to ask so that entire paragraph was a waste of my time.

... This is called game mechanics. You see, we're human beings in the real world playing a game. It's imperative that we actually learn how to do stuff. Like, how to look under rocks for miracle seeds and press shift and the left arrow key to rotate. I'm pretty sure that all gods inherently aren't retarded and know how do simple stuff like this through godly means. How awful would it be if Undead God showed up and the cinematic was a montage of him learning how to pick up rocks and zoom in and out and how to save and load his games? Also, I'm pretty positive baby Creatures just don't stand around in one spot hoping a random godling shows up and taps it on the head. This too is an example of game mechanics.

If you'd paid attention to either game, you'd know that all gods go through the creature choosing process, miracle process, etc. etc. The consciences and Sable said it very clearly multiple times.

Right. Because Undead God was born in way totally not unique from every other god ever. That damn manual that comes with the game had me goin', but you're not gonna buy into that line are you?

Yes... because the lack of energy in a sacrifice is going to give the god more energy, right? Wrong. It does kind of say so in the manual as well, if you'd like to re-read it.

Well, for one, a god is born to answer a prayer. Whadda you think the Aztecs wanted? They probably wanted the Greeks iced. Ta-da!

So now gods are slaves to their people? You're very clearly showing that you have no idea how the game works whatsoever, and I'm enjoying watching this .

Also, the goal of all gods is to be the god. To be God.

Yes, all gods. Well, except Khazar. And Lethys... and, by stressing constantly that Nemesis wanted to be the only gos, that sort of implies that was an unusual thing... otherwise, it would be kind of like saying that someone has two eyes then falling back in shock and horror as if that was unusual, not vice versa.

And the guy just didn't whoosh out of a vortex and start fireballin' you in the face.

Um... what?

By the time he interacts with you he's conquered one Japanese land,

That's kind of an oxymoron, don't you think? "By the time he interacts with you he's already conquered one of your islands..." And...

a big ol' island of Norse folks and he's smashed the Greek homeland to bits.

Are the same. The Greek homeland is your homeland, please stop proving you have no idea what the game is about, it makes this whole debate way too easy for me. You rule the Norse as well, so what you've basically said is: "He doesn't go straight to attack you. By the time he first attacks you, he's already attacked you and taken some of your lands." If you want to reply, learn a bit about the game first, I'm slowly starting to think you're taking the mick out of the people who are saying that the undead god isn't nemesis .

I lol'ed. Undead---God, please stop being a right prick. I'm not sure how you imagine this works, but for all your whining about his babyish arguments you do the same thing. Every second sentence seems to be "you're an idiot"; of course, they're not all that, but words to that effect. Seems necessary to qualify that because otherwise you'll bitch about it in reply. Point is, your rhetoric is mainly you being a dick. If you cut that out, your post would be half length. Don't be a dick.

That's kind of an oxymoron, don't you think?

No. Interacting with my villagers is not the same as interacting with me.

Yes... because the lack of energy in a sacrifice is going to give the god more energy, right? Wrong. It does kind of say so in the manual as well, if you'd like to re-read it.

If you'd paid attention to either game, you'd know that all gods go through the creature choosing process, miracle process, etc. etc. The consciences and Sable said it very clearly multiple times.

Don't think that kind of logic applies to the game. Bless LH and their dear hearts, but Lord knows that they haven't been master storytellers, and I think internal consistency is too much to ask.

So now gods are slaves to their people?

Since when aren't they? Born out of the peep's deepest desires, it's easy to argue that god dudes are a reflection of villager peeps. It's not clear either way. Haven't played the game, don't know, not arguing either way here; just disagreeing with some of your arguments there.

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 Quoting: fel64

I lol'ed. Undead---God, please stop being a right prick. I'm not sure how you imagine this works, but for all your whining about his babyish arguments you do the same thing.

By screaming "JEALOUS!!!!" every six seconds ?

Every second sentence seems to be "you're an idiot"; of course, they're not all that, but words to that effect.

That wasn't my intention, but I apologise if it was seen that way. Point is, your rhetoric is mainly you being a dick. If you cut that out, your post would be half length. Don't be a dick.

No. Interacting with my villagers is not the same as interacting with me.

We were talking about the undead god interacting with the Greek god, the player. He said that, before he interacted with the Greek god he had already attacked and taken (interacted with, to keep the words the same) the Japanese land, the Greek land and the Norseland.

Don't think that kind of logic applies to the game. Bless LH and their dear hearts, but Lord knows that they haven't been master storytellers, and I think internal consistency is too much to ask.

Be that as it may, that's just a theory, with no evidence, against a piece of evidence. I highly doubt the peoel would go through all the trouble of building the creature selection areas and the BW1 gates just on the off-chance a single god needs them many years into the future .

Since when aren't they? Born out of the peep's deepest desires, it's easy to argue that god dudes are a reflection of villager peeps. It's not clear either way.

In either game, you are free to do what you want, as long as you followed the storyline. If, in BW1, we were able to choose, though the prayer that summoned the player was one to help a child in water the god would have the choice to ignore it and then take the town by force.