Sovvolf:

No I disagree rappers like twister dispite the fact that I hate his music is gifted with the ability to sing that fact, any one can do screamo, I could scream at the top of my lungs while impersinating a ds voice screaming out random ***.I dont see no pace or intensity I see some arsehole screaming at the top of his lungs random hate music. Its also funny that most of the bullied kids turn into doing heavy metal music, maybe its becuase they didnt have the balls to scream this stuff and the guy whooping him so they have to scream it on stage to other people such as them.

That is the biggest pile of *** i have read in a long time. Everyone can scream yes. Everyone can sing yes. But not everyone can do it as as the singers. About the bullied kids stuff... I was never bullied and i listen to metal all the f****ng time, it makes me happy not sad or depressed... I maybe dont have the balls to scream at people but really i dont want to scream at people for no reason. Also not all metal is hate music, not even close... Raunchy sings about getting high/drunk and f****ng all the time, gojira sings about the envirement and climate, dillinger escape plan sings about everything from dancing up all night (like the random pop songs) to dogs that shouldnt be left alone to breakups.

But even if it was all hate music what is so bad about it ? The world isnt a happy place and there is wars going on, babies getting raped and old people are dying alone because their kids dont bother visiting them anymore.

A friend of mine once said this exact same thing and it's still just as stupid reading, not everyone likes this stuff and i know and fully accept that but it isnt just screaming like rapping isnt just talking.

It's stupid enough for me to even defend this as i know it falls on deaf ears of ignorant people who are too scared of listening to anything but the stuff on mtv. Metal gives me something that no other genre gives me, the energy and everything is just amazing.

While writing this i listened to organized noise that you probably find much worse than normal metal, it's awesome try it ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95NFsb5A7So )

Sovvolf:

You have seen the way this guy looks havent you, now I'm not a fashion nazi but *** me

Well it sure does works for him as i see people talking about how nasty he is all the time and make people care about him even when they hate his music.

But meh he is actually prettier with makeup, at least he doesnt look like a fish with it on



Not really into Manson but the Anti christ superstar concert i saw with him at a festival was really really ... But that is a long time ago and when i went to see him some years later it was really shitty.


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maggot:

Sovvolf:

No I disagree rappers like twister dispite the fact that I hate his music is gifted with the ability to sing that fact, any one can do screamo, I could scream at the top of my lungs while impersinating a ds voice screaming out random ***.I dont see no pace or intensity I see some arsehole screaming at the top of his lungs random hate music. Its also funny that most of the bullied kids turn into doing heavy metal music, maybe its becuase they didnt have the balls to scream this stuff and the guy whooping him so they have to scream it on stage to other people such as them.

That is the biggest pile of *** i have read in a long time. Everyone can scream yes. Everyone can sing yes. But not everyone can do it as as the singers. About the bullied kids stuff... I was never bullied and i listen to metal all the f****ng time, it makes me happy not sad or depressed... I maybe dont have the balls to scream at people but really i dont want to scream at people for no reason. A friend of mine once said this exact same thing and it's still just as stupid reading, not everyone likes this stuff and i know and fully accept that but it isnt just screaming like rapping isnt just talking.

Whoops I missed a line out in my previous post I meant to say that if rap is just talking and any one can do it then any one can do screamo....

I never said most people who listen this music are the bullied kids, I said the people who perform this kind of music, and I'm going on experience here, most of the screamo bands from my school were the bullied kids who didnt have the balls to turn around and say something to the bullies.

Sovvolf:

You have seen the way this guy looks havent you, now I'm not a fashion nazi but *** me

maggot:

Well it sure does works for him as i see people talking about how nasty he is all the time and make people care about him even when they hate his music. But meh he is actually prettier with makeup, at least he doesnt look like a fish with it on Not really into Manson but the Anti christ superstar concert i saw with him at a festival was really really ... But that is a long time ago and when i went to see him some years later it was really shitty.

He looks like he got hit by a shovel when he was a kid.

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If Adon and Sagat step in....ah, what the hell, I'll get drunk and join in on that one.

Sovvolf:

I never said most people who listen this music are the bullied kids, I said the people who perform this kind of music, and I'm going on experience here, most of the screamo bands from my school were the bullied kids who didnt have the balls to turn around and say something to the bullies.

I'm still not sure what you call screamo (according to wiki it's some punk metal stuff...read it youself for better explanation because i dont know what it is but i know it isnt all metal) but he was talking about metal... Anyway still doesnt change that it is very wrong. Now lets take my probably favorite band raunchy who plays metal and screams... Most of them are nearly 40 now, working as mailman, engineer, doctor, high school teacher and graphic designer. They are all pretty sucessful or at least happyl and they never looked like anyone who have been bullied just like i never have.

Just because some people at your school got bullied and made "screamo" doesnt mean that all the fans of it are that way... But then again i dont know if screamo is something you can only listen to and make if you have been bullied but i know it isnt for metal which is what he was talking about.

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maggot:

I'm still not sure what you call screamo (according to wiki it's some punk metal stuff...read it youself for better explanation because i dont know what it is but i know it isnt all metal) but he was talking about metal.

I'm talking about them bands that just scream this sound with a forced low pitch voice that sounds like they've got larencitese

maggot:

.. Anyway still doesnt change that it is very wrong. Now lets take my probably favorite band raunchy who plays metal and screams... Most of them are nearly 40 now, working as mailman, engineer, doctor, high school teacher and graphic designer. They are all pretty sucessful or at least happyl and they never looked like anyone who have been bullied just like i never have. Just because some people at your school got bullied and made "screamo" doesnt mean that all the fans of it are that way... But then again i dont know if screamo is something you can only listen to and make if you have been bullied but i know it isnt for metal which is what he was talking about.

Well this is probably one of the many things on my list that ive got wrong, like I said, I go on experience more then any think, if the bullied kids turned into failled screamo bands in my school, then I see it in another school, I start to form a chain in my head and thats my perception of them. My statment up there was rushed any how, wasnt thinking clearly, neice woke up, was trying to get here back to sleep, its hard to formulate a decent arguement with a screaming baby in you hear lol.

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"IrishMorn"
If Adon and Sagat step in....ah, what the hell, I'll get drunk and join in on that one.

Julian5604:

and emo does not stand for emotional. it stands for emotive hardcore.

Or Emotional Hardcore. I don't know if there is any consensus on what it originally stands for and what it stands for today. In any case, the term is quite liberally misused on many many bands.

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deliriousstudios:

Julian5604:

and emo does not stand for emotional. it stands for emotive hardcore.

Or Emotional Hardcore. I don't know if there is any consensus on what it originally stands for and what it stands for today. In any case, the term is quite liberally misused on many many bands.

yes, emotional=emotive. i just get annoyed when people leave out hardcore from emo because to be 'emo' you need to be angry, angsty, mean, and loud. if we just went by emotional then all music is emo.  and yes, i fully agree with you that it's used wrong on many many occasions.

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blitzfabler:

Next i've got problems with rock now, mainly because most of that stuff is like 40 yrs old! mann they should really throw that noize in tha garbage cause its haggard and overkilled/overplayed whateve.

By your logic, masterpieces by Beethoven, Handel, Chopin and Debussy, etc should also be thrown out on account of their age?

I must ask, praytell, what kind of music do you listen to?

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LethargicMotivator:

blitzfabler:

Next i've got problems with rock now, mainly because most of that stuff is like 40 yrs old! mann they should really throw that noize in tha garbage cause its haggard and overkilled/overplayed whateve.

By your logic, masterpieces by Beethoven, Handel, Chopin and Debussy, etc should also be thrown out on account of their age?

I must ask, praytell, what kind of music do you listen to?

I'm also sure that Airborn would be slightly miffed at being called "40 years old" ... I mean I don't even think their parents were born 40 years ago, but they sure know how to kick out a riff!  AC/DC style man!

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Mortalitis_Infinitas:

You have gained enough renown to purchase the "Creative Director of European studios at Microsoft Games Studios" title.

Music I dislike?

Beck>All other music

Reason? This: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=40ed2ba...04e75f6e8ebb871
It's a link to an insanely epic, 22 minute Beck song called "Dior Theme". I have a quote from a very reputable Beck website that states: "This song is so amazing that every other song is just a bag of vomit."

Around 17 minutes, this song actually goes into an instrumental version of another song of his, called "New Round", 4 years before the album it was on was released.

All other bands and all other music just don't mix sounds, evoke images, or have as of a sound as Beck. He's soared through the musical kaleidascope of genres and come out on top every time. How many artists do you know that completely switch up their musical style every single album? Rap, Brazilian, Folk, 60's Psychadelic Pop, Indie, R&B, Funk, Bossa Nova, Techno, Blues, Soft Rock, Alt Rock, the man's got it all, done it all, conquered it all. And he's still going.

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RavensFan09:

Music I dislike? Beck>All other music Reason? This: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=40ed2ba...04e75f6e8ebb871 It's a link to an insanely epic, 22 minute Beck song called "Dior Theme". I have a quote from a very reputable Beck website that states: "This song is so amazing that every other song is just a bag of vomit." Around 17 minutes, this song actually goes into an instrumental version of another song of his, called "New Round", 4 years before the album it was on was released. All other bands and all other music just don't mix sounds, evoke images, or have as of a sound as Beck. He's soared through the musical kaleidascope of genres and come out on top every time. How many artists do you know that completely switch up their musical style every single album? Rap, Brazilian, Folk, 60's Psychadelic Pop, Indie, R&B, Funk, Bossa Nova, Techno, Blues, Soft Rock, Alt Rock, the man's got it all, done it all, conquered it all. And he's still going.

It doent matter if the music has changed or not, it's either music or bad music, to me slipknot have changed their new music is pretty crap, just because it changed a bit its not better, same for trivium.

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garjian:

the clincher... fable has always had erectile disfunction...

its never been long or hard enough to have any fun with

Who does he remind me of?

 

Now, to the guy that objected to calling Manson a freak: The thing is wouldn't we call him a freak then he wouldn't dress like a freak. That's the whole point to his show, it's not about individualism but about standing out from the crowd, which ain't the same.

 

RavensFan09:

How many artists do you know that completely switch up their musical style every single album? Rap, Brazilian, Folk, 60's Psychadelic Pop, Indie, R&B, Funk, Bossa Nova, Techno, Blues, Soft Rock, Alt Rock, the man's got it all, done it all, conquered it all. And he's still going.

The question to me is does he also completly change his fanbase with every new album? Or is he just a musician with a devout enough following that allows him to do that without loosing more money in the process than he's making?

 

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Daninsky:

ShadowRage41:

...as for the comment about guitar masterbation, you look at Guitarist like Page or Hendrix ect. if the guitarist is and it adds to the song.

That's the point, there are Guitarists that are and that can play a soli that doesn't make your ears bleed listening to, but there was a wave in Metal where it seemed like every musician (regardless of actual talent) thought he had to become the next Malmsteen and was torturing you with minutes long Guitar soli on a fecking studio album. I guess that pretty much killed my appreciation for it.

But there's worse, there's drum soli, which I find quite more pointless on a studio production.

I like Yngwie  Malmsteen, I prefer  Tony Macalpine though. I like the era of classical music (the Romantic era) Which Macalpine derives his influences for his instrumentals from -Malmsteen was more (Baroque era influenced).  These guys are exceptional musicians. all one has to do is look no further than to their approach to the guitar to see their brilliance. for example  Macalpine uses the "jackoff vibrato"  instead of applying vibrato to a note the way most blues based lead guitarists do,  Tony uses a technique similar to what a classical violinist might do, moving his fretting hand from side to side parallel to the neck, rather than perpendicular to it. Tony also places  his left hand under the neck with his thumb barring across the top of the neck, and then use his other 4 fingers to hit harmonics. This is an acoustic bass technique. I could continue....  these are the types of things that  set these guy's apart.

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Metal is a unique genre in its own right, but to say all music from any given genre sucks is ignorant.

Some examples of phenomenal songs from hated genres.
Raphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y_VFGrGnCE - Rap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT0Ney0rQT8 - Metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUkKLK_fZb4 - Indie

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dante906v2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT0Ney0rQT8 - Metal

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maggot:

dante906v2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT0Ney0rQT8 - Metal

What's wrong with korn?

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Mortalitis_Infinitas:

You have gained enough renown to purchase the "Creative Director of European studios at Microsoft Games Studios" title.

skormsweasel:

RavensFan09:

Music I dislike?

Beck>All other music

Reason? This: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=40ed2ba...04e75f6e8ebb871
It's a link to an insanely epic, 22 minute Beck song called "Dior Theme". I have a quote from a very reputable Beck website that states: "This song is so amazing that every other song is just a bag of vomit."

Around 17 minutes, this song actually goes into an instrumental version of another song of his, called "New Round", 4 years before the album it was on was released.

All other bands and all other music just don't mix sounds, evoke images, or have as of a sound as Beck. He's soared through the musical kaleidascope of genres and come out on top every time. How many artists do you know that completely switch up their musical style every single album? Rap, Brazilian, Folk, 60's Psychadelic Pop, Indie, R&B, Funk, Bossa Nova, Techno, Blues, Soft Rock, Alt Rock, the man's got it all, done it all, conquered it all. And he's still going.

It doent matter if the music has changed or not, it's either music or bad music, to me slipknot have changed their new music is pretty crap, just because it changed a bit its not better, same for trivium.

Beck's music is always the cream of the crop becuase it's nothing you've ever heard before. He's totally original and is daring enough to dip into almost every musical genre and make it sound . He's been nominated for at least 5 Grammys and won 2. His last album, Modern Guilt, was just nominated for Best Alt Album at last year's Grammys, and probably would've won if not for Radiohead.

Beck knows how to take bits and pieces of obscure samples and riffs and recycle them into something great and way better than what's on the radio these days. His stuff is always hailed by critics, is on a lot of music reviewing sites top 10 albums of the year, and has never gotten lower than 3 & 1/2 stars on Rolling Stone (5 two or three times). So yeah, he's pretty .

Daninsky:

The question to me is does he also completly change his fanbase with every new album? Or is he just a musician with a devout enough following that allows him to do that without loosing more money in the process than he's making?

Where music goes, people follow. I've got over 140 songs of just Beck alone on my PSP at home, and I can think on one hand all the Beck songs I don't like. The man can do no wrong.

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TMUnderground

Beck isn't everyones cup of tea, but there's no denying that he is skilled at what he does. I happen to enjoy practically everything Beck has done. It's all very clever music.

Generally you'll find people will prefer certain albums. Usually that seems to be Odelay, Sea Change or Guero I think. For one reason another Information Disc remains my favourite.

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Thank you Dante ive been wondering what the name was called for that song on the sin city title screen

Any ways ive never listened to a song by Beck so I carnt judge, I think Oasis are a universally loved band, though there new album wasnt as as there older one's you dont meet many people who dont like Oasis.

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"IrishMorn"
If Adon and Sagat step in....ah, what the hell, I'll get drunk and join in on that one.

RavensFan09:

Music I dislike? Beck>All other music Reason? This: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=40ed2ba...04e75f6e8ebb871 It's a link to an insanely epic, 22 minute Beck song called "Dior Theme". I have a quote from a very reputable Beck website that states: "This song is so amazing that every other song is just a bag of vomit." Around 17 minutes, this song actually goes into an instrumental version of another song of his, called "New Round", 4 years before the album it was on was released. All other bands and all other music just don't mix sounds, evoke images, or have as of a sound as Beck. He's soared through the musical kaleidascope of genres and come out on top every time. How many artists do you know that completely switch up their musical style every single album? Rap, Brazilian, Folk, 60's Psychadelic Pop, Indie, R&B, Funk, Bossa Nova, Techno, Blues, Soft Rock, Alt Rock, the man's got it all, done it all, conquered it all. And he's still going.

Woah..."all other band and all other music just don't mix sounds, evoke images," I hope you mean this as an opinion and not as fact because...we can go down this road if you want. There's this band, its name is Radiohead it switches up a lot. There's this band called Kayo Dot who implements jazz, classical music, metal, emo, and math rock. Sure, Beck can do things differently every album, I'm not denying he has skill. But it takes a lot to mash up genres on one release--or in one song. And what is Beck's techno album?

also what do Grammies have to do with anything? is that supposed to measure skill? if i recall lil' wayne just won this year's best album.

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Whats popular isn't whats right.

The same godamn songs that play 22 times over in the same station in one hour makes me want to slap a toddler's face.

I will say that Beck is musically talented, I enjoy a lot of his work, very very unique. The best? I wouldn't say that, personally Daft Punk is my favorite band, but thats because not only are they impressive on their influence, but their shows are unbelievably amazing.

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And saddly you dont hear that much about daft punk these days, I dont think they've released a new song in a while either, then again I doubt it would hit the top spot at the charts if they did, the majority of people out there only care for this modern music.

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If Adon and Sagat step in....ah, what the hell, I'll get drunk and join in on that one.

RavensFan09:

Daninsky:

The question to me is does he also completly change his fanbase with every new album? Or is he just a musician with a devout enough following that allows him to do that without loosing more money in the process than he's making?

Where music goes, people follow. I've got over 140 songs of just Beck alone on my PSP at home, and I can think on one hand all the Beck songs I don't like.

You missed my point, Beck is neither the first nor the last artist to do that, he is among the few who happen to be in a position that allows them to continue doing it without getting broke in the process.

A lot of followers does not automatically translate to huge talent, often it only translates to popularity. However, you kinda say you dislike every other music that is not Beck and yet say that Beck played pratically in every style?

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I dislike anything that's not Rammstein, because it's not Rammstein.
(I also like classical and soundtrack music )

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I am not very keen on mainstream pop and other music manufactured for the mass market although there are exceptions of course.

I dislike Death Metal, not for the music, but for the message. I actually love a lot of the guitar sound.

I dislike Organ music and groups in the style of the Kings singers.

I'm not keen on R&B as I find it a little too mellow.

I'm not a big fan of Hip Hop but some of it is really and I am a big fan of The Boo Yah T.R.I.B.E. having said that they do play their own instruments.

Other than that I like most music and I really do mean most. I have a fairly large cd collection. At last count it was over 700 cds plus downloads. Recently I have been buying an average of about 5 cds a week. Escept when I go to boot sales and buy about 20-30.

Did I mention that I like most music?

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Daninsky:

RavensFan09:

Daninsky:

The question to me is does he also completly change his fanbase with every new album? Or is he just a musician with a devout enough following that allows him to do that without loosing more money in the process than he's making?

Where music goes, people follow. I've got over 140 songs of just Beck alone on my PSP at home, and I can think on one hand all the Beck songs I don't like.

You missed my point, Beck is neither the first nor the last artist to do that, he is among the few who happen to be in a position that allows them to continue doing it without getting broke in the process.

A lot of followers does not automatically translate to huge talent, often it only translates to popularity. However, you kinda say you dislike every other music that is not Beck and yet say that Beck played pratically in every style?

I'm just saying he's very consistent in the quality of music he delivers. There's never any two songs of his that sounds similar, and it's very hard to do that, especially when producing an album that's fixed on one theme. And the reason I say I dislike non-Beck music but enjoy his genre variations is that has a knack for taking elements of past decades or lampooning lyrics and making them better thatn the original. His entire Midnite Vultures album was basically spoofing Prince and the whole sensuality of the 70's/80's with the raunchy lyrics, innuendos, etc, and while some panned it, I found it a funny, smart satire of that era. And when he raps, it''s not about cars and women and all those things rappers on the radio sing about, it's always just random but beautiful images and phrases.

Also, I'm not saying he's the best in the whole world (although it certainly would seem that way), becuase I know not everyone likes Beck, let alone as much as I do. Everyone has their own opinions and mine just happens to be that I really really like Beck.

And @ Julian - He hasn't made a techno album, but has dabbled in the genre with a few songs such as Timebomb, Get Real Paid, and Ghettochip Malfunction (Hell Yes Remix), among others. No hardcore rave stuff, but you get my drift.

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TMUnderground