Alright, I know I don’t say much around here, but I do read (a lot) and I feel I have to say something.

 

To all of the people who complain about “Glitches, Broken Promises, Removed Content, etc…”

 

GROW UP AND SHUT UP.

 

I am sorry, but I find your continuous belligerents very bothersome and increasing worthless. Every day someone posts on this board about how much their game sucks and how they feel betrayed.  Well I don’t really care.  I have played Fable 2 with 4 different creations, and it has NEVER had glitches. Not once have I had a quest not complete, an achievement not record, a dog get in my way or disappear, or get stuck in a wall or sink into the ground. 

 

The worst thing I ever had happen to me was marrying Lady Grey and having a black child.  Made me think she was cheating on me, but I digress. 

 

Yes, there is content I missed from Fable 1 (stealing for example) but the content Lionhead added was just as great.  And despite playing the game 4 times thru, I continue to play it because it has such great replay value.  Name any other game out there that gives you the ability to be any person you want, and bring the consequences for it.  I can think of no game that lets you be man/woman, /, pure/corrupt, hero/villain, and still make you FEEL like you are that person.

 

For all you people who try to compare this game to Oblivion/Fallout 3 (other games I love), you can’t.  Neither game really cared what you did as long you finished the story.  Fable brought consequences to the proverbial table. And what a difference it makes.  Your comparisons are equivalent to asking, “Chicken or Pork for dinner tonight?”  All a matter of what you are hungry for.

 

If you want to make constructive criticism, that is fine.  I am sure Lionhead would even thank you for it as well.  But simple starting threads labeled, “Fable 2 sucks” or jumping in a non related thread and posting “I will never buy another Fable game” is childish and counterproductive. All you do is show your own ignorance and give people the mental picture of a 4 year old sitting at a computer, leftover pasta sauce covering your head, and hitting the keys with your palm because he doesn’t know how to think.

 

In short, stop complaining.  If you loved Fable 2, be happy they created it and hope for improvements with each sequel.  If you hated Fable 2, why are you still coming to the website? Go play another game and leave the rest of us alone.

 

Signed,

TheTrueGuildMaster

 

 

 

P.S. As a request, I would like to see more threads like this from people who love Fable 2.  Don’t let the lurking complainer yell so loudly that their voice drowns out your own.

 

 

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I understand and empathize with you here, but I also understand and empathize with the frustration some people encounter with Fable 2.  For a "Mature" rated game, there are a lot of people that have difficultly expressing themselves beyond "Fable 2 sux lol".  This forum is a pretty vaulable source for solutions and if you can get them to "use your words" there is often a new insight, avoidance or amusing/beneficial glitch discovered.  A love or hate fest on this forum would not be as valuable, and the thing to remember is that there is really no way to control other peoples' behavior, but you can try to control your reactions to it.

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I understand your frustration, but Frank is right, this is a valuable forum for correcting, and not every ones games play perfect. Mine plays wonderfully, as yours.
I love the game as much as you do.

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Yea dude thats what fourms are for, if we didnt have a place to vent about or distaste in a game then we would probably end up punting our children or fighting imaginary lepricauns. Some people will like the game and some will hate it...nothing you can do about it

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I take personal offense to the "SHUT UP" comment directed towards people who have glitches.
I've played through THIRTY SIX files in an attempt to get through the entirety of the game
without a single glitch.

Did you complete all of those four heros 100%?
If so you'd probably run into one of the hundreds of glitches
and just because you haven't seen any on your whopping four heros doesn't
mean that they don't exist Einstein.

I've encountered dozens of them and you know what?
I'm going to post about them on the forums.

If we don't post about them they'll never get fixed.
We need to discuss them in order to recreate the problem and repair the damage.
Plus it's nice to see if anyone else in the community has had the same problem
and can suggest a possible fix.

I agree that the "FABEL 2 SUX" morons need to shut the *** up but honestly
telling people with glitches to piss off is just plain asinine.

If you buy a car and you wind up having a bad radiator you're going to contact
the the people who made it to see what can be done to fix it.
You're not really going to give a flying *** about the yahoo outside
the dealership telling the customers to *** off.

You know, the bitching kids are annoying but the people posting pointless topics
complaining about the complainers aren't much better.

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I do agree with you all the complaining is kinda annoying when just trying to help people solve certain solutions with their games. There should be some sort of a help thread, like type key words of your problems, and the answer/s come up depending on other people who have had the problem and how it was resolved. When searching a single thread 1000 shouldn't appear. So I might disagree slightly with the glitches and issues, but I do think they should be redirected elsewhere, where these people can get instant assistance, instead of creating a thread for something small, which has been answered 20,000,000 times. I don't know how many, "Where's My LE Code?" threads I've come across, which everytime I try to give the same answer, but I can't find my exact answer since there are so many threads that appear in the Search so I have to re-type it up everytime. Fable hateing should be noted, but not blown out into the threads, instead of venting out anger, it should be redirected toward ideas of how to make Fable III a better game. Do keep in mind this is part of an entire story, if this was "The Story," of Albion, "The End." I would be upset..but to have every Fable be about faries and krakens is kinda out there, this is a world that is developing in each story you play. I am happy with Fable and Fable II, each game is unique...basically NOT the exact same, which is or else Fable II might as well be Fable TLC II which seeing the same elements over and over again gets annoying. Guns, Dogs, Enemies, Technology, and History have given Fable II a wonderful story of its own, when I try to tell people this on Fable Hate Threads, I usually get I'm the little kid trying to protect Lionhead's Rep, but when I come across these threads I don't even Reply, I just report it for harrassment now, quite pathetic sometimes the bickering that happens. However there are some people worth noteing on these forums that are Members.

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I completely agree with you...every game has its problems but fable is a near piece of art when it comes to polish of a game ....and im sure when Fable 3 comes out people will be saying "why have you removed this that was in Fable 2"....the answer is to make it a more enjoyable experience...they will remove things that don't work well and replace them with better thing. It is a never ending cycle of complaining but these are great titals and you should leave if you dont like it or at least make some constructive suggestions.

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Power to the people!

i just love fable for what it always has been about, the beauty of the areas of albion, and the ability to choose your own path. i do however, empathize with your complaints about those who constantly grief the game with slander (most of which, quite frankly, is un-necessary). but thats the way it is, and thats the way it will always be, so leave them to their opinions and you concentrate on your own opinions.

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I LOVE the Fable series to the point I am even planning to buy a unopened copy of Fable 2 Collector's on Amazon as of the Limited Edition of the Guide and planning to never use them (and I already have the collectors of both in use). And yes I played Fable 2 four times also and the only bugs I came across was my wife and kids ignoring me and running away never being heard from again making me not finish the last quest in game. This below is my 2 cents and in the future I hope on becoming a game developer one day and  having a chance with Lionhead. So my opinion would partly be in the eyes of a developer.

But as you said I have left complaints or constructive criticism as you call it about the game and Lionhead. And I do feel for the people who played the game a BILLION times and never actually finished the darn thing, then later on in the end hate the game with a passion. Its not their fault they are frustrated on  trying to enjoy the game they been anticipating but can not even get half way through it cause of bugs then in the end realized they wasted money on something they wanted which was broken in the first place.

COME ON games are not supposed to have this many bugs. Even though I understand that coding now-a-days for gaming is harder than ever before, which might take part of the blame for bugs cause developers don't fully yet understand the game's coding. Ever since this generation of gaming came out games have been buggy as hell and I partly blame the company cause of them not taking the time to perfect the game so their fans can enjoy the FULLEST experience of playing the game like it was originally intended to be. Also I do especially blame developers who can't keep their word. BUT there is more...

The cause of the company's reason why the game was "rushed" and buggy and content that was said to be in game but not is "MAINLY US" the fans. So the blame is mainly on us (not the complainers) because our love for the game. We want to know so much about it and demand so much of it until it is in our hands. I actually feel bad for the developers. I even feel that Fable 3 might have the exact same problem.

Like I said before I still ADORE the Fable series even if there was Glitches, Broken Promises, Removed Content and yada yada yada. And I am EXTREMLY excited for Fable 3 and beyond and being a future developer I do hope on being a part of Fable itself one day. My last comment, let the complainers complain, in the end for every complainer who gives a reason why the game sucks, that complaint will soon be Fable's strength in the future making it one of the best games in the past, present and future.

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Mithos90:

The cause of the company's reason why the game was "rushed" and buggy and content that was said to be in game but not is mainly "US" the fans. So the blame is mainly on us because our love for the game. We want to know and demand so much of it until it is in our hands. I actually feel bad for the developers. I even feel that Fable 3 might be the excat same.

Pretty post, but that part I totally desagree with.

Blaming the lack of testing or the "incompetence" of the programmers on the fans is really lame.

If the game wasn't ready, they should have pushed it back, like they and many other companies do over and over.

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No game is perfect and none will ever be. People will always encounter glitches and bugs and its not necessarily the fault of the testers or programmers. What happens if the testers just happened to have "perfect" games like yours?

They will think that the game is fine and can be released.

Frankly i think people who complain about people who happened to stumble upon a small error in the game are just as bothersome as "fable 2 sux lol" people.

If you can show me a game with absolutely NO GLITCHES whatsoever, or a game with absolutely NOTHIN that is wrong with it, i will hold my tongue.

However on a side note, i agree that it is annoying that people continue to come here after they have clearly stated that they dont like the game...

Mithos90:

And I do feel for the people who played the game a BILLION times and never actually finished the darn thing,

In all honestly, I'm not sure how that's possible. If the glitches are that prevalent and that game-breaking, then virtually nobody should be able to 'finish the damn thing.'

Mithos90:

COME ON games are not supposed to have this many bugs.

And yet, I can go to just about any game forum and hear the exact same thing...

I have no problem with constructive criticism; that's the only way to eliminate genuine bugs in the game, or to discourage the inflation of what qualifies as "sufficiently bug-free." And I have no issues with the frustrated venting of those who've triggered genuinely game-breaking glitches, or have hit so many nuisance-level glitches that it overwhelms the enjoyable aspects.

What does bug me, though, are those who confuse hyperbole for fact; or those who scale things ridiculously out of proportion -confusing 'nuisance' glitches with 'game-breaking' ones. But that's the only way I can see someone playing through "a billion times" and not being able to finish the thing: quitting (or starting over) because of nuisance issues the vast bulk of the time.

Or abusing the concept of hyperbole beyond reason, claiming "a billion" when it was in fact more like four or five.

Why? Because if I hit any glitches during my first run through, they were trivial enough that I didn't even notice them. If it's possible to do that, then it's utterly implausible to have genuinely made a number of attempts that could [i]reasonably[/b] be exaggerated to 'a billion' without having gotten lucky once and made it through.

Regarding testing, though: testers should not be satisfied with having one 'perfect play.' In fact, the best testers are those who deliberately attempt to break the game. They're the ones who will find the things that most need fixing.

@ Kaosprophet

Wow cause it was a hyperbole doesn't mean I meant it literally. Hell I'll be surprised if someone played it that much. If you want a clearer statement there there are people (happened more frequently as soon as the game came out) who played it who met a glitch that close to permanently messed up the game and even if they even restarted on a new save the save is still corrupt as soon as the opening cut scene finishes.

But because we are human we blow things we type up out of proportion so I do not know how accurate the complaints players made that I read. Here is a example of an incident.

http://community.lionhead.com/forums/thread/3369094.aspx

But ever since the game's release things have gotten better and is not as bad as it was. But having the concept of a game that you play through until a certain point then always crashing no matter what is a little bogus. As someone posted before your right no game is perfect.

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Beowulf71:

If the game wasn't ready, they should have pushed it back, like they and many other companies do over and over.

And then people'd just call it another 'broken promise' and hate Lionhead that much more.

Of course, fans would probably get over a later release date a lot sooner than they would a dozen game-breaking bugs, and Lionhead probably should have pushed it back at least two months to do a very broad, closed Beta on real users' consoles, anyway...
But they were presented with two options and chose the one that would make the fans more immediately happy.  I can live with that.

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You have never experienced glitches . . .

 

Well some of us get terminal illnesses, others do not.

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Acryllis:

No game is perfect and none will ever be.

GTA IV: The Lost and Damned.

Despite what people say or think about how GTA IV is a step backwards compared to SA and all blah blah, I think that game was so full of win, that I can overlook the glitches..

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th3warr1or:

Acryllis:

No game is perfect and none will ever be.

GTA IV: The Lost and Damned.

Despite what people say or think about how GTA IV is a step backwards compared to SA and all blah blah, I think that game was so full of win, that I can overlook the glitches..

I havent played GTA 4 so im not at liberty to say, but the game still isnt perfect. A lot of people say its and im not saying it isnt.

Your reminding me of how i feel about Fable 2. Its so (IMO) that i dont even mind the glitches i may encounter.

TheTrueGuildMaster:

I am sorry, but I find your continuous belligerents very bothersome and increasing worthless. Every day someone posts on this board about how much their game sucks and how they feel betrayed.  Well I don’t really care.  I have played Fable 2 with 4 different creations, and it has NEVER had glitches. Not once have I had a quest not complete, an achievement not record, a dog get in my way or disappear, or get stuck in a wall or sink into the ground.

i agree. i've played a bunch of times, and the only glitches i've ever had were either intentional, or nothing to be concerned about. like those guys that get chairs stuck to their hands. or my dog getting temporarily stuck lodged in a bed or something. i've fallen off the map a few times, once because i wanted to, and a few other times because i was doing something stupid anyways. nothing game-breaking.

TheTrueGuildMaster:

Yes, there is content I missed from Fable 1 (stealing for example) but the content Lionhead added was just as great.  And despite playing the game 4 times thru, I continue to play it because it has such great replay value.

okay, i've finally played the first fable, so i can actually comment now. no, there's not really anything i miss. it's just a different game. the whole interface is cleaner, simpler, and more intuitive. yeah, there's less magic, but... it's a different game, set in a different time. they're both great games. if i want to play fable, i have that game too.

TheTrueGuildMaster:

Name any other game out there that gives you the ability to be any person you want, and bring the consequences for it.  I can think of no game that lets you be man/woman, /, pure/corrupt, hero/villain, and still make you FEEL like you are that person.

well, i feel obliged to point out oblivion. only because it's a lot less structured than fable. and the NPCs have actual identities: if you run around killing people, you could limit your options for some things later in the game. neither game really lets you kill "essential" people (like, uh, reaver). you affect the world a bit more fable 2, but... not really all that much more. while the morality is often complicated, the choices are all still binary. old town or old town bad. westcliff or westcliff bad. protect oakfield or slaughter oakfield. etc. you can get a little nuance out of it... but that zero punctuation review of fable:tlc comes to mind... it's nice that we have those choices, but few of them are particularly significant. we can't really go down a whole separate story line. we can't say, "yeah, eff this albion place, let's go help lucien." and then change our minds and backstab him just take over the world. the choice is more money. which is exactly like the choice, minus a statue.

TheTrueGuildMaster:

For all you people who try to compare this game to Oblivion/Fallout 3 (other games I love), you can’t.  Neither game really cared what you did as long you finished the story.

i can compare all i want. and contrast too. especially if we're talking about glitches, as above. i have to LOL at the "glitch!" posts, having played oblivion. as great as that game is, it's a veritable glitch fest. some of which are game breaking. some which aren't even glitches, but features, like random NPC death.

TheTrueGuildMaster:

Fable brought consequences to the proverbial table. And what a difference it makes.  Your comparisons are equivalent to asking, “Chicken or Pork for dinner tonight?”  All a matter of what you are hungry for.

sure. oblivion is oblivion. fable is fable. different games, different mechanics, different playstyles, different content.

TheTrueGuildMaster:

If you want to make constructive criticism, that is fine.  I am sure Lionhead would even thank you for it as well.  But simple starting threads labeled, “Fable 2 sucks” or jumping in a non related thread and posting “I will never buy another Fable game” is childish and counterproductive. All you do is show your own ignorance and give people the mental picture of a 4 year old sitting at a computer, leftover pasta sauce covering your head, and hitting the keys with your palm because he doesn’t know how to think.

In short, stop complaining.  If you loved Fable 2, be happy they created it and hope for improvements with each sequel.  If you hated Fable 2, why are you still coming to the website? Go play another game and leave the rest of us alone.

seriously.

TheTrueGuildMaster:

P.S. As a request, I would like to see more threads like this from people who love Fable 2.  Don’t let the lurking complainer yell so loudly that their voice drowns out your own.

nah, we have a "what's with all the hate?" thread every few weeks.

ok guys your massive walls of eye-raping text hide the point that the original poster is correct, you see a few glitches and instantly make 5000 threads about whining to the devs who are most likely working on it or are focusing on the other projects they have to do, you know to keep making money for their company.

if PM reads a thread were someone whines about a glitch, is he gonna stop production on everything and fix it. answer that however you want you know the right one.

and as for me i have one complaint, that is that Oakvale wasn't anything like fable 1, understand it had to change a little but no villagers was what got me.

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wildman31:

and as for me i have one complaint, that is that Oakvale wasn't anything like fable 1, understand it had to change a little but no villagers was what got me.

i think a dev posted about that before. something to the effect of wanting to go all-out and make oakvale everything everyone wanted, but there was some technical reason why they couldn't.

oh well i guess. it's not like i can't just go play the first fable any time i want.

Beowulf71:

Mithos90:

The cause of the company's reason why the game was "rushed" and buggy and content that was said to be in game but not is mainly "US" the fans. So the blame is mainly on us because our love for the game. We want to know and demand so much of it until it is in our hands. I actually feel bad for the developers. I even feel that Fable 3 might be the excat same.

Pretty post, but that part I totally desagree with. Blaming the lack of testing or the "incompetence" of the programmers on the fans is really lame. If the game wasn't ready, they should have pushed it back, like they and many other companies do over and over.

I find it to be the publishers fault (Microsoft) For deadlines and what not, if they just would finish the game and add on to the overall content instead of being rushed with a pre-determined dead line from the publishers then the quality would be much better, This goes for the whole industry not just Lionhead.

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They did the same thing to the Halo games.

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xcrimsonlegendx:

They did the same thing to the Halo games.

Yeah I know they did it with Gears of War 2, which is why it is so laggy glitchy and shitty.

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