I had previously posted a thread questioning the quality of the "final product" of Fable 2 as well as why Lionhead has not fixed several day 1 glitches while focusing on DLC.  Evidently, the fourm police do not find this acceptable and locked my thread.  Feel free to tell me where I violated the TOS.
  So let me clarify.  These fourms are littered with countless instances of problems with the game and so far, the only answers have been "work arounds" and re-starting your game if there isn't one.  I bought this game when it came out and fell in the area of not being able to advance or finish the game.  I set it aside for a while and figured that there would be a fix eventually.  I tried the game again recently and have the same issues, and still see them listed as problems on the forums.  To keep trying to pump out content at an added cost, instead of fixing issues that have been present from the beginning, should be unacceptable.
  If there is a thread here where Lionhead has discussed there work on fixing these issues, then I was unable to locate it.  If anybody from Lionhead or a helpful forum member could point it out, then I would appreciate it.
  It was amusing to hear from all the clueless fanboys though.  It seems like they must spend a lot of time defending this game and/or company judging from there "replies".

Here's a hint: calling people who disagree with you "mindless fanboys" is trolling, which is a way to get your *****-fest topic locked. Also, had you bothered to look at the top of the topics, you would've noticed this topic, which directs you to the exact place where your complaints and glitch notations belong.

 

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squidproquo:

You are a murdering machine, sir.

No, I don't have a sex change potion. But I do have this!

MDigz:

  I had previously posted a thread questioning the quality of the "final product" of Fable 2 as well as why Lionhead has not fixed several day 1 glitches while focusing on DLC.  Evidently, the fourm police do not find this acceptable and locked my thread.  Feel free to tell me where I violated the TOS.
  So let me clarify.  These fourms are littered with countless instances of problems with the game and so far, the only answers have been "work arounds" and re-starting your game if there isn't one.  I bought this game when it came out and fell in the area of not being able to advance or finish the game.  I set it aside for a while and figured that there would be a fix eventually.  I tried the game again recently and have the same issues, and still see them listed as problems on the forums.  To keep trying to pump out content at an added cost, instead of fixing issues that have been present from the beginning, should be unacceptable.
  If there is a thread here where Lionhead has discussed there work on fixing these issues, then I was unable to locate it.  If anybody from Lionhead or a helpful forum member could point it out, then I would appreciate it.
  It was amusing to hear from all the clueless fanboys though.  It seems like they must spend a lot of time defending this game and/or company judging from there "replies".

No, we are not fanboys as you quote. I've played the game with all DLC's. So far I have no glitches with the game. Now with that in mind I am not saying there are no glitches with this game, with the link that Meralonne posted there is place you can post your concerns. Also we are not clueless most of us have completed game several times over with different characters. Like I said before we are here to assist you and point you in the right direction or to right people that can help you. Please do not flame us as being clueless fanboys.

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So starting out a reply with "Here's a hint" isn't confrontational or anything.  So the fanboys that complained because they had a different opinion doesn't constitute trolling then?  Nice double standard.

I did bother and I checked your link in this post as well.  It leads to a post, that leads to another forum full of all the "work arounds" that has been dumped off to the side.  I believe I referenced this already.  I apprecidate the help, but I don't see any real update on the progress of correcting these issues that prevent me (and seemingly many others) from playing this game.  Again, there are several issues where the "work around" is to start over.

So start over, and quit whining and crying. Or if you are really brave, then pm Molynoux.

If you make the wrong decisions, or get in a situation and save instead of quitting then yes you have to start over. But, complaining and whining about it on a fan based website will get you nothing but a few flamethrowers pointed at you.

You want glithches my first play through had a few minor ones nothing game breaking but one that prevented my getting an achievment. I just started a new character and got that achievment, and am on my third play through.

If you don't like the game then sell it back to Game Stop and find something else. Or try telling us what the problem or specific glitch is and maybe the community will be a little bit more willing to help.

Oh, and if and when this thread gets locked don't make another one.

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Gradius1:

I smell another dream to crush...

suzanne536 brute

...i just don't get the hate.

i get that people some people here could potentially be seen as fanboys. i wouldn't describe myself as such (i'm very nonchalant about a great many things) but i enjoyed the game as much as the next person. for what it is, of course, not what i thought it was going to be, or what i expected, or any of the hype. because i ignore all that stuff. i just don't care. and i'm not going to sit around and whine about how a game isn't what i wanted. i enjoyed the game. i still enjoy the game. yes it's short (it's longer than the first fable, btw, even with tlc), but so what? it has very high replay value, and not a lot of games do these days.

what i really don't get are the "glitch" allegations. i always see people talking about how the game has serious glitches, but i never see anyone say specifically what they are. and i've certainly never run into any myself. only the harmless or even beneficial kind. i think i'm on my sixth hero now. i've fallen out of the map two or three times (once because i tried to, and a few times because i was trying to superjump), and i've purposefully exploited a few glitches (my current hero has no melee weapon equipped), and had a few beneficial glitches (two rising suns, two chesty missions). not once have i ever run into any game ending glitches.

the only times i've scrapped heros were because i was bored with them, or i realized i made a decision i wanted to reverse.

you want a long game? i highly recommend "the elder scrolls iv: oblivion." you wanna see tons of malicious game-breaking glitches in a game? ditto.

suzanne536:

So start over, and quit whining and crying. Or if you are really brave, then pm Molynoux. If you make the wrong decisions, or get in a situation and save instead of quitting then yes you have to start over. But, complaining and whining about it on a fan based website will get you nothing but a few flamethrowers pointed at you. You want glithches my first play through had a few minor ones nothing game breaking but one that prevented my getting an achievment. I just started a new character and got that achievment, and am on my third play through. If you don't like the game then sell it back to Game Stop and find something else. Or try telling us what the problem or specific glitch is and maybe the community will be a little bit more willing to help. Oh, and if and when this thread gets locked don't make another one.

...and here is a fanboy attack by someone that doesn't agree with my opinion.  I don't want glitches and I don't expect to have to start a game from scratch every time I get stuck at a glitch with no "work around".  I am happy for you though that you have plenty of time and patience to do so.

Oh, and if and when you don't like my opinion Suz, feel free to not post.  Thanks.

MDigz:

So starting out a reply with "Here's a hint" isn't confrontational or anything.

No. If I'd told you to "get a clue", that would've been confrontational. The entire tone of your inital post, on the other hand, was quite confrontational.

MDigz:

  So the fanboys that complained because they had a different opinion doesn't constitute trolling then?  Nice double standard.

Responding to trolling doesn't make you a troll. It means you've been snared by the troll. (I'm starting to get a sinking feeling here...)

MDigz:

I did bother and I checked your link in this post as well.  It leads to a post, that leads to another forum full of all the "work arounds" that has been dumped off to the side.  I believe I referenced this already.  I apprecidate the help, but I don't see any real update on the progress of correcting these issues that prevent me (and seemingly many others) from playing this game.  Again, there are several issues where the "work around" is to start over.

Do you honestly expect patches this late in the cycle? I think you're asking too much. It is certainly regrettable that these glitches exist. Hell, I've lost two of my favorite Hero files to the same glitch (I'm unable to target villagers using the trigger to interact with them). Guess what? I started new Heroes. You can, too.

Do you feel like you're being ignored? Does your anger with these glitches outweigh any enjoyment you gain from playing the game? If so, then move on to the next game and don't buy another LH product. Tell your friends, too. But if you did, in fact, read the topic I linked, you wouldn't have to ask why your topic was locked. It was in the wrong forum. The mods have made it pretty clear where to post topics regarding technical issues, so it makes no sense for you to become upset when you start topics in the wrong forum.

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squidproquo:

You are a murdering machine, sir.

No, I don't have a sex change potion. But I do have this!

It was locked because it devolved into mindless arguing (as well as trolling, aka picking fights), not because you were badmouthing Lionhead.

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meralonne:

MDigz:

So starting out a reply with "Here's a hint" isn't confrontational or anything.

No. If I'd told you to "get a clue", that would've been confrontational. The entire tone of your inital post, on the other hand, was quite confrontational.

MDigz:

  So the fanboys that complained because they had a different opinion doesn't constitute trolling then?  Nice double standard.

Responding to trolling doesn't make you a troll. It means you've been snared by the troll. (I'm starting to get a sinking feeling here...)

MDigz:

I did bother and I checked your link in this post as well.  It leads to a post, that leads to another forum full of all the "work arounds" that has been dumped off to the side.  I believe I referenced this already.  I apprecidate the help, but I don't see any real update on the progress of correcting these issues that prevent me (and seemingly many others) from playing this game.  Again, there are several issues where the "work around" is to start over.

Do you honestly expect patches this late in the cycle? I think you're asking too much. It is certainly regrettable that these glitches exist. Hell, I've lost two of my favorite Hero files to the same glitch (I'm unable to target villagers using the trigger to interact with them). Guess what? I started new Heroes. You can, too.

Do you feel like you're being ignored? Does your anger with these glitches outweigh any enjoyment you gain from playing the game? If so, then move on to the next game and don't buy another LH product. Tell your friends, too. But if you did, in fact, read the topic I linked, you wouldn't have to ask why your topic was locked. It was in the wrong forum. The mods have made it pretty clear where to post topics regarding technical issues, so it makes no sense for you to become upset when you start topics in the wrong forum.

I love when people resort to trying to use semantics to justify a double standard. 

Bottom line, I expect when I purchase a product for it to be of quality and work correctly.  When it doesn't work correctly, I don't mind sufficient time being allowed to correct it.  If it doesn't, I question the integrity of the supplier of said product.  When a company expands on said partially working product, instead of fixing issues inherently present from the beginning of the products life-span, then you start to look at the company responsible.

I posted on a Lionhead provided board, not some fans website.  I posted my opinion on the integrity of Lionhead and the quality of my experience with their deficient product.  I did not realize that only positive propaganda could be posted here while anything negative is hidden or swept off in the corner.

Lionhead has a sub-section of this board filled with issues with their defective product.  I'm not looking to be pointed in that direction or hidden there.  I'm looking for some sort of recent indication that Lionhead is working on fixing issues to earn the support of the fanboys.  Or are they just pumping out defective product to milk the fanboys that support them?

You're ticked off.  We get that.  But what use do you think this thread will have in a forum run completely by 'fan-boys', as you put it?  All you're doing is aimlessly instigating fights where they aren't welcome and certainly don't have a hope of being recognized by anyone who can make any difference about it.  No one's mind is going to change because of what you say here.  So the best thing for you to do would be shove off, cope with your disappointment like a man, and let us all resume living our happy lives.

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Shisou:

You're ticked off.  We get that.  But what use do you think this thread will have in a forum run completely by 'fan-boys', as you put it?  All you're doing is aimlessly instigating fights where they aren't welcome and certainly don't have a hope of being recognized by anyone who can make any difference about it.  No one's mind is going to change because of what you say here.  So the best thing for you to do would be shove off, cope with your disappointment like a man, and let us all resume living our happy lives.

Listen to the fanboy

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Nope, the best thing would be (if he doesn't get ban of course) to try and explain himself without insulting, attacking or trolling, this way his topic probably wouldn't get locked (too soon at least) and maybe some discussion could come out of it.

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MDigz:

Bottom line, I expect when I purchase a product for it to be of quality and work correctly.

and it does, like 99% of the time. unforeseen glitches are an inherent problem in any complex system like a modern computer game. most of the ones i'm hearing described (i looked a little harder) are one-time freak occurrences, the kind of stuff you couldn't duplicate if you tried.

MDigz:

When it doesn't work correctly, I don't mind sufficient time being allowed to correct it.  If it doesn't, I question the integrity of the supplier of said product.  When a company expands on said partially working product, instead of fixing issues inherently present from the beginning of the products life-span, then you start to look at the company responsible.

i think the issue is that they're trying to give us 99% what we want -- more content -- instead of trying to placate that 1% that had some serious glitch that can't be easily reproduced. does this idea not make business sense to you? it'd be nice if everything was always 100%, but welcome to the real world. sometimes, things break.

MDigz:

I posted on a Lionhead provided board, not some fans website.  I posted my opinion on the integrity of Lionhead and the quality of my experience with their deficient product.  I did not realize that only positive propaganda could be posted here while anything negative is hidden or swept off in the corner.

if you think only positive stuff is posted here, you haven't been around long. every week we get another "why is fable 2 exactly like fable 1?" thread.

but let's say you're right, and your thread wasn't locked because of your rather trollish behaviour and the fact that it was in the wrong place. what did you honestly expect would happen?

MDigz:

Lionhead has a sub-section of this board filled with issues with their defective product.  I'm not looking to be pointed in that direction or hidden there.

because, yes, sub-forums are totally the ghettos of the internet. right. organization structure exists for a reason. and it's not to keep things hidden. actually, it's the reverse.
 

MDigz:

I'm looking for some sort of recent indication that Lionhead is working on fixing issues to earn the support of the fanboys.  Or are they just pumping out defective product to milk the fanboys that support them?

ah, okay. so here's the real issue. you're the fanboy here. there's no scorn like a love lost.

tell you what, if you want indication that lionhead is addressing your problems... why not go post in the technical issues forum? because, amazingly, that will make it easier for them to find and address your problem. that's what it's for. post here, and you're just trying to stir the pot.

and you know, patches and title-updates do happen.

99% is not a factually based number and is a random value that you have assigned.  Judging from the forums, your 99% is not even close to being accurate.

The technical forums go unanswered except for other players trying to come up with "work arounds".  So far I've heard various excuses by fanboys trying to absolve Lionhead of any moral or ethical responsibility in providing a quality product that would function properly.

I don't see any easily identifiable representatives posting in the technical forums.  I could find no indication of any progress being made on addressing issues that have been pointed out.  A "work around" is one thing.  Having to start the game over because of a defect in the product is another.

So when was the last patch and/or update and what did it fix?  I think there was one towards the release of the game to prevent exploits.

I think that my expectation of a correctly functioning product is not out of line.  I am entitled to my opinion and I did not force anyone to post on here and condemn me for it.

I strongly agree,the bugs are just ridiculous,and the fact if a serious bug accurs,you have to restart your whole game file,what is with that  lionhead?that means geting all gargoyals,red dragon and all that other bs to get where you were and then another bug may happen again,then here we go again with restarting,sorry love fable but i think lionhead made very stupid choices with fable 2 and there not fixing them...we are being neglected and im begining to see that, and some of you guys who defend them need to wake up and smell the coffee and hopfully lionhead will to.

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Arkrend:

I strongly agree,the bugs are just ridiculous,and the fact if a serious bug accurs,you have to restart your whole game file,what is with that  lionhead?that means geting all gargoyals,red dragon and all that other bs to get where you were and then another bug may happen again,then here we go again with restarting,sorry love fable but i think lionhead made very stupid choices with fable 2 and there not fixing them...we are being neglected and im begining to see that, and some of you guys who defend them need to wake up and smell the coffee and hopfully lionhead will to.

If you and Mdigz are unhappy with Fable II then take disc out your xbox return it to the jewel case and take it gamestop and trade it in. Please stop your bit*****, If you want immediate action you can PM Peter on twitter! What part of that you do not understand, if you did not want a response from the community then post in the right forum. Whether or not they ( Lion Head) respond to you is up to them. Like I said earlier if you dissatified with the product then trade it in for a different game. It doesn't take rocket science to figure this one out. Yes you are entitled to your opinion to a point. No, I am not a fanboy nor do I get paid from LionHead to promote their game! I just enjoy playing the game period. Oh!, by the way I drink coffee every morning when I responding to a post!

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MDigz:

Oh, and if and when you don't like my opinion Suz, feel free to not post.  Thanks.

MDigz:

So the fanboys that complained because they had a different opinion doesn't constitute trolling then?  Nice double standard.

MDigz:

I am entitled to my opinion and I did not force anyone to post on here and condemn me for it.

Made me lose all my "discussion spirit". People may be of different opinion than you, and they will in such cases most likely debate against you.  I just think that until you've learnt, or at least accepted that, spending time arguing with you simply isn't worth it

Now, *** happens, and it probably WILL happen in any game. Just do what you can, contact whoever you might get in touch with, and stop whining here?

If the game is so horrible, why are you still playing it?

 

The only thing I can come up with for this "Can't finish/advance"- problem, where you have to start over again, from scratch, is that you just fly through the main storyline (it goes pretty fast) and then, if all goes well, do the rest.

 

Personally I've never encountered any glitch whatsoever, and everything works just fine

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Gradius1:

If the abuse towards each other continues, there will be bans.

I still fail to understand why the topic creator can't get it through his head that this is not a technical issues forum. You have issues with the game? Post them in the forum dedicated to technical issues.

While you're at it, spare us the "Lionhead doesn't allow anyone to badmouth their product on their forums" argument. It doesn't hold water. You can open up any number of topics full of posts that read ,"teh F4b13 II is teh suxxorz!!!!1!!111!!". Notice how most of them haven't been locked? It's because, as Shisou mentioned earlier, they haven't devolved into a flame-fest.

Once again: you're entitled to your opinion about this game. That doesn't make people who disagree with you fanboys. That also does not make this forum the "technical support" forum. Complain here all you want about what you wish had been in the game but wasn't. Complain in the technical support forum about glitches. It's that simple.

I've enjoyed our little discourse here, but I've said all I'm going to say on the subject. Enjoy raging against the machine for as long as the topic lasts.

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squidproquo:

You are a murdering machine, sir.

No, I don't have a sex change potion. But I do have this!

arachnophilia:

what i really don't get are the "glitch" allegations. i always see people talking about how the game has serious glitches, but i never see anyone say specifically what they are.

***POSSIBLE SPOILERS***

Let me help you there: My second play through, I married Lady Grey and moved her into homestead. After destroying Lucien with the music-box, she's still listed as being my family, with location Homestead. But if I go there, she's gone. No wife, no breadcrumbtrail. The next action have tot take to finish the 'Retribution' quest is 'Visit the family', which is impossile as she isn't there.

So there you have it: Game-ending-Glitch. There's NO way for me to finish Retribution, no workaround, nothing. It's a useless savefile now. I'm thinking of logging on, giving all my sh*t to random passers-by and deleting this save.

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One thing I don't get, why when I go to a thread and post something negative, people tell me to not post if I don't like the thread..., but when someone make a "negative" thread all the "positive" people who don't like these kind of threads come and comment.

Maybe you should take your own advices.

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mdigz is just doing this to get the feeling of conversation with someone just let him be alone.

and if ya dont like the game go trade it in a get something else dont whine like a *** all day

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Shisou:

I present to you Peter Molyoda.

#1.  I didn't force all the fanboys to come in here and argue with me.  They chose to do that on their own.

#2.  I didn't post a technical issue.  I posted my opinion based off of gameplay experience and questioned whether Lionhead was pimping out this franchise instead of fixing existing issues that forced people to completely start their game over.

#3.  I asked if there was some location where Lionhead was keeping people appraised of any fixes they were doing.  i was pointed to the Technical forum where I could find no such information.

#4.  I don't mind if people disagree with me, but please use fact as opposed to acting like a fanboy.  As you can see from some of the posts, I'm not the only one that has these issues.

#5.  I believe it is a reasonable expectation for a product to work correctly when purchased or to be fixed to work correctly in a timely fashion.

#6.  Again, when was the last patch and what did it fix?  According to what I've read in the forums it was early towards release and corrected glitches that people were exploiting.

if you really need help (and it sounds like u do) try asking in a more polite manner that usually gets u the best results.
plus if you keep creating threads that have to do with stuff you already know about then it's pretty pointless, your just asking yourself "why?" but u already know the answer, yes ppl like this game yes there are problems with the game, get over it. and clueless fanboy isn't that bad of a burn i actually kinda like it, just shows us how mad u are. it sounds to me if we were all a little more clueless then we wouldn't be hearing from such great thinkers like yourself.

p.s. u may not have forced ppl to come on this thread and argue but u were certainly asking for it.

#1. Nice moral high road you're taking there - are you running for some political office?

#2. I am not sure and I believe you aren't sure either what you posted. Perhaps it is a question/opinion/rant hybrid?

#3. I look to the Lion Development Blog for official information.

#4. Fair enough, but again I am not sure you are making a clear distinction between fact and opinion, thus some of the push back.

#5. Sounds like you have never lost a 20 page Word Document or intracate Spreadsheet.  There are steps and contingencies you can take as a player that are similar to the use of any software program - and this forum is particularily helpful in providing - especially of you do not call them fanboys.

#6. The last official word from LH that I am aware of is:

http://community.lionhead.com/blogs/fable_2_development/archive/2009/01/10/3276698.aspx 

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