Fable II

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

Fata1moose — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:56:18 GMT

xcrimsonlegendx:
They did the same thing to the Halo games.

Yeah I know they did it with Gears of War 2, which is why it is so laggy glitchy and shitty.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

xcrimsonlegendx — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:15:13 GMT

They did the same thing to the Halo games.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

Fata1moose — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:19:30 GMT

Beowulf71:
Mithos90:
The cause of the company's reason why the game was "rushed" and buggy and content that was said to be in game but not is mainly "US" the fans. So the blame is mainly on us because our love for the game. We want to know and demand so much of it until it is in our hands. I actually feel bad for the developers. I even feel that Fable 3 might be the excat same.
Pretty post, but that part I totally desagree with. Blaming the lack of testing or the "incompetence" of the programmers on the fans is really lame. If the game wasn't ready, they should have pushed it back, like they and many other companies do over and over.

I find it to be the publishers fault (Microsoft) For deadlines and what not, if they just would finish the game and add on to the overall content instead of being rushed with a pre-determined dead line from the publishers then the quality would be much better, This goes for the whole industry not just Lionhead.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

arachnophilia — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:02:31 GMT

wildman31:
and as for me i have one complaint, that is that Oakvale wasn't anything like fable 1, understand it had to change a little but no villagers was what got me.

i think a dev posted about that before. something to the effect of wanting to go all-out and make oakvale everything everyone wanted, but there was some technical reason why they couldn't.

oh well i guess. it's not like i can't just go play the first fable any time i want.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

wildman31 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:05:37 GMT

ok guys your massive walls of eye-raping text hide the point that the original poster is correct, you see a few glitches and instantly make 5000 threads about whining to the devs who are most likely working on it or are focusing on the other projects they have to do, you know to keep making money for their company.

if PM reads a thread were someone whines about a glitch, is he gonna stop production on everything and fix it. answer that however you want you know the right one.

and as for me i have one complaint, that is that Oakvale wasn't anything like fable 1, understand it had to change a little but no villagers was what got me.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

arachnophilia — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:56:34 GMT

TheTrueGuildMaster:
I am sorry, but I find your continuous belligerents very bothersome and increasing worthless. Every day someone posts on this board about how much their game sucks and how they feel betrayed. Well I don’t really care. I have played Fable 2 with 4 different creations, and it has NEVER had glitches. Not once have I had a quest not complete, an achievement not record, a dog get in my way or disappear, or get stuck in a wall or sink into the ground.

i agree. i've played a bunch of times, and the only glitches i've ever had were either intentional, or nothing to be concerned about. like those guys that get chairs stuck to their hands. or my dog getting temporarily stuck lodged in a bed or something. i've fallen off the map a few times, once because i wanted to, and a few other times because i was doing something stupid anyways. nothing game-breaking.

TheTrueGuildMaster:
Yes, there is content I missed from Fable 1 (stealing for example) but the content Lionhead added was just as great. And despite playing the game 4 times thru, I continue to play it because it has such great replay value.

okay, i've finally played the first fable, so i can actually comment now. no, there's not really anything i miss. it's just a different game. the whole interface is cleaner, simpler, and more intuitive. yeah, there's less magic, but... it's a different game, set in a different time. they're both great games. if i want to play fable, i have that game too.

TheTrueGuildMaster:
Name any other game out there that gives you the ability to be any person you want, and bring the consequences for it. I can think of no game that lets you be man/woman, /, pure/corrupt, hero/villain, and still make you FEEL like you are that person.

well, i feel obliged to point out oblivion. only because it's a lot less structured than fable. and the NPCs have actual identities: if you run around killing people, you could limit your options for some things later in the game. neither game really lets you kill "essential" people (like, uh, reaver). you affect the world a bit more fable 2, but... not really all that much more. while the morality is often complicated, the choices are all still binary. old town or old town bad. westcliff or westcliff bad. protect oakfield or slaughter oakfield. etc. you can get a little nuance out of it... but that zero punctuation review of fable:tlc comes to mind... it's nice that we have those choices, but few of them are particularly significant. we can't really go down a whole separate story line. we can't say, "yeah, eff this albion place, let's go help lucien." and then change our minds and backstab him just take over the world. the choice is more money. which is exactly like the choice, minus a statue.

TheTrueGuildMaster:
For all you people who try to compare this game to Oblivion/Fallout 3 (other games I love), you can’t. Neither game really cared what you did as long you finished the story.

i can compare all i want. and contrast too. especially if we're talking about glitches, as above. i have to LOL at the "glitch!" posts, having played oblivion. as great as that game is, it's a veritable glitch fest. some of which are game breaking. some which aren't even glitches, but features, like random NPC death.

TheTrueGuildMaster:
Fable brought consequences to the proverbial table. And what a difference it makes. Your comparisons are equivalent to asking, “Chicken or Pork for dinner tonight?” All a matter of what you are hungry for.

sure. oblivion is oblivion. fable is fable. different games, different mechanics, different playstyles, different content.

TheTrueGuildMaster:
If you want to make constructive criticism, that is fine. I am sure Lionhead would even thank you for it as well. But simple starting threads labeled, “Fable 2 sucks” or jumping in a non related thread and posting “I will never buy another Fable game” is childish and counterproductive. All you do is show your own ignorance and give people the mental picture of a 4 year old sitting at a computer, leftover pasta sauce covering your head, and hitting the keys with your palm because he doesn’t know how to think.

In short, stop complaining. If you loved Fable 2, be happy they created it and hope for improvements with each sequel. If you hated Fable 2, why are you still coming to the website? Go play another game and leave the rest of us alone.

seriously.

TheTrueGuildMaster:

P.S. As a request, I would like to see more threads like this from people who love Fable 2. Don’t let the lurking complainer yell so loudly that their voice drowns out your own.

nah, we have a "what's with all the hate?" thread every few weeks.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

Acryllis — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:58:00 GMT

th3warr1or:
Acryllis:
No game is perfect and none will ever be.

GTA IV: The Lost and Damned.

Despite what people say or think about how GTA IV is a step backwards compared to SA and all blah blah, I think that game was so full of win, that I can overlook the glitches..

I havent played GTA 4 so im not at liberty to say, but the game still isnt perfect. A lot of people say its and im not saying it isnt.

Your reminding me of how i feel about Fable 2. Its so (IMO) that i dont even mind the glitches i may encounter.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

th3warr1or — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:37:16 GMT

Acryllis:
No game is perfect and none will ever be.

GTA IV: The Lost and Damned.

Despite what people say or think about how GTA IV is a step backwards compared to SA and all blah blah, I think that game was so full of win, that I can overlook the glitches..

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

OBN — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:27:58 GMT

You have never experienced glitches . . .

Well some of us get terminal illnesses, others do not.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

Shisou — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:37:14 GMT

Beowulf71:
If the game wasn't ready, they should have pushed it back, like they and many other companies do over and over.

And then people'd just call it another 'broken promise' and hate Lionhead that much more.

Of course, fans would probably get over a later release date a lot sooner than they would a dozen game-breaking bugs, and Lionhead probably should have pushed it back at least two months to do a very broad, closed Beta on real users' consoles, anyway...
But they were presented with two options and chose the one that would make the fans more immediately happy. I can live with that.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

Mithos90 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:36:22 GMT

@ Kaosprophet

Wow cause it was a hyperbole doesn't mean I meant it literally. Hell I'll be surprised if someone played it that much. If you want a clearer statement there there are people (happened more frequently as soon as the game came out) who played it who met a glitch that close to permanently messed up the game and even if they even restarted on a new save the save is still corrupt as soon as the opening cut scene finishes.

But because we are human we blow things we type up out of proportion so I do not know how accurate the complaints players made that I read. Here is a example of an incident.

http://community.lionhead.com/forums/thread/3369094.aspx

But ever since the game's release things have gotten better and is not as bad as it was. But having the concept of a game that you play through until a certain point then always crashing no matter what is a little bogus. As someone posted before your right no game is perfect.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

Kaosprophet — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:07:52 GMT

Mithos90:
And I do feel for the people who played the game a BILLION times and never actually finished the darn thing,

In all honestly, I'm not sure how that's possible. If the glitches are that prevalent and that game-breaking, then virtually nobody should be able to 'finish the damn thing.'

Mithos90:

COME ON games are not supposed to have this many bugs.

And yet, I can go to just about any game forum and hear the exact same thing...

I have no problem with constructive criticism; that's the only way to eliminate genuine bugs in the game, or to discourage the inflation of what qualifies as "sufficiently bug-free." And I have no issues with the frustrated venting of those who've triggered genuinely game-breaking glitches, or have hit so many nuisance-level glitches that it overwhelms the enjoyable aspects.

What does bug me, though, are those who confuse hyperbole for fact; or those who scale things ridiculously out of proportion -confusing 'nuisance' glitches with 'game-breaking' ones. But that's the only way I can see someone playing through "a billion times" and not being able to finish the thing: quitting (or starting over) because of nuisance issues the vast bulk of the time.

Or abusing the concept of hyperbole beyond reason, claiming "a billion" when it was in fact more like four or five.

Why? Because if I hit any glitches during my first run through, they were trivial enough that I didn't even notice them. If it's possible to do that, then it's utterly implausible to have genuinely made a number of attempts that could [i]reasonably[/b] be exaggerated to 'a billion' without having gotten lucky once and made it through.

Regarding testing, though: testers should not be satisfied with having one 'perfect play.' In fact, the best testers are those who deliberately attempt to break the game. They're the ones who will find the things that most need fixing.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

Acryllis — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:10:47 GMT

No game is perfect and none will ever be. People will always encounter glitches and bugs and its not necessarily the fault of the testers or programmers. What happens if the testers just happened to have "perfect" games like yours?

They will think that the game is fine and can be released.

Frankly i think people who complain about people who happened to stumble upon a small error in the game are just as bothersome as "fable 2 sux lol" people.

If you can show me a game with absolutely NO GLITCHES whatsoever, or a game with absolutely NOTHIN that is wrong with it, i will hold my tongue.

However on a side note, i agree that it is annoying that people continue to come here after they have clearly stated that they dont like the game...

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

Beowulf71 — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:45:23 GMT

Mithos90:
The cause of the company's reason why the game was "rushed" and buggy and content that was said to be in game but not is mainly "US" the fans. So the blame is mainly on us because our love for the game. We want to know and demand so much of it until it is in our hands. I actually feel bad for the developers. I even feel that Fable 3 might be the excat same.

Pretty post, but that part I totally desagree with.

Blaming the lack of testing or the "incompetence" of the programmers on the fans is really lame.

If the game wasn't ready, they should have pushed it back, like they and many other companies do over and over.

Re: Open Letter to the Forum: Hate the Players, Love the Game

Mithos90 — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:35:35 GMT

I LOVE the Fable series to the point I am even planning to buy a unopened copy of Fable 2 Collector's on Amazon as of the Limited Edition of the Guide and planning to never use them (and I already have the collectors of both in use). And yes I played Fable 2 four times also and the only bugs I came across was my wife and kids ignoring me and running away never being heard from again making me not finish the last quest in game. This below is my 2 cents and in the future I hope on becoming a game developer one day and having a chance with Lionhead. So my opinion would partly be in the eyes of a developer.

But as you said I have left complaints or constructive criticism as you call it about the game and Lionhead. And I do feel for the people who played the game a BILLION times and never actually finished the darn thing, then later on in the end hate the game with a passion. Its not their fault they are frustrated on trying to enjoy the game they been anticipating but can not even get half way through it cause of bugs then in the end realized they wasted money on something they wanted which was broken in the first place.

COME ON games are not supposed to have this many bugs. Even though I understand that coding now-a-days for gaming is harder than ever before, which might take part of the blame for bugs cause developers don't fully yet understand the game's coding. Ever since this generation of gaming came out games have been buggy as hell and I partly blame the company cause of them not taking the time to perfect the game so their fans can enjoy the FULLEST experience of playing the game like it was originally intended to be. Also I do especially blame developers who can't keep their word. BUT there is more...

The cause of the company's reason why the game was "rushed" and buggy and content that was said to be in game but not is "MAINLY US" the fans. So the blame is mainly on us (not the complainers) because our love for the game. We want to know so much about it and demand so much of it until it is in our hands. I actually feel bad for the developers. I even feel that Fable 3 might have the exact same problem.

Like I said before I still ADORE the Fable series even if there was Glitches, Broken Promises, Removed Content and yada yada yada. And I am EXTREMLY excited for Fable 3 and beyond and being a future developer I do hope on being a part of Fable itself one day. My last comment, let the complainers complain, in the end for every complainer who gives a reason why the game sucks, that complaint will soon be Fable's strength in the future making it one of the best games in the past, present and future.