well, not suprisingly I often find myself quite bored in my computer science class(the pace is crawling... we're on for loops...HA...ohhh, god I need to shoot myself) anyway... I have 2 questions 1. In order to keep myself occupied myself and another student who knows how to program already(yeah! theres two of us now baby) are messing with our computers and the various security settings on it. Because of our previous actions many improvements to the system have been made. But now we are trying to uninstall the security program on the system. Normally the system prohibits us from running all programs that are not on our "compile" drive(she fixed it after the last time). So we copied the uninstall program for the security by opening it in notepad and saving it as an executable on this drive. The problem is that even though it is running it is lacking some of its dependencies. Are there any programs(can vc++ do this?) that can trace these dependencies? I have a feeling we just need to copy a dll or something to the directory. BTW, we are not malicious, just bored... 2. I know there are many ways to fragment and mess up the memory so that the computer requires a reboot... got any ones? Thanks... [This message has been edited by Mitchell Hayenga (edited 11 January 2001).]

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BTW, we are not malicious, just bored...

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That's how it starts ..

You could, perhaps, try and find something constructive to do instead. I assume you're talking about CS at GCSE level, in which case, you shouldn't have picked it. It has no practical value for people that already know how to code. The A-Level is better, but will have sections that bore you to death. You may note that CS degrees generally don't require the CS A-Level. Bear in mind that assuming you know how to code may not actually pass the course. Occasionally they will throw in something you don't already know, and then ask questions on it in the exam. The worst thing a coder can do is fail a CS course (thus speaks the voice of experience) ------------------ Glen Watts - My opinions are not necessarily those of ATD or Kaboom Studios. Sometimes they are, but most of the time its just me rambling on...

Heh , I did as well. I got 20% on the programming module in my first year at Uni. I didn't realise you were meant to go to all the tutorials so the idiot lecturer could mark everyones identical code. Oh , and I used a different language.. 3 actualy. Didn't get round to finishing the degree either, much more fun working. Don't show off in college, save that for when you get paid to code.

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The problem is that even though it is running it is lacking some of its dependencies. Are there any programs(can vc++ do this?) that can trace these dependencies?

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QuickView , or better Dependancy Walker( should be in the VC tools directory )

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2. I know there are many ways to fragment and mess up the memory so that the computer requires a reboot... got any ones?

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Try opening a memory file ( mapped to swap ) of a Gig or so, then wander about filling it with 0's. But surely you can think of something more fun...

oh, the reason why I'm in this class is that I'm still in high school... This was the highest level class available to me and I'm required to have one computer class to graduate... Its offered as AP credit(counts as college credit).

oh and oarfish, the "more fun" comes when we get the security program off our back...

Writing a big file randomly will just take time - it won't actually cause a Windows reboot... ...an easier way to do that would be to use the Stress program to take away all the system resources - that might cause a crash (depends on the exact OS version). A few int9's inside a VxD or interrupt handler might get you somewhere towards a reboot. get FileMon from here or even the source to it - it may give you a few ideas for bypassing the security system/what its up to: www.sysinternals.com

If the security system is a running program, then maybe if you run PView from MSVC's tools you'd be able to kill it (or at very least get its process and thread IDs to attack it)...

I love you.... heh... I drove back to school to test that out... I beat the system using that... That didn't totally disable all of the security(I think they had some config thing that exlporer read, or something) but that disabled enough to let me read/write to the c drive. So I replaced the security system executable with a file that said "This comp has been hacked"... nice to see everytime the comp starts up... Finally I wrote this into a program.. it worked(I did not say yes to the prompt afterwords)... system("format c:"); horray... I have to talk to the security person tuesday, I told my teacher what I could do. There is some sort of reward in it for me telling the security person... so they'll probably take off pviewer...

My advice... goto the art dept... look at girls 4 long periiods of time... then during yer next class, nip to the loo and bring back the memories of those girls... ... should help to kill time...

lord... mark!, I don't know if I should just laugh hysterically or wonder about how ****ed up you are... oh well...

heh, that does remind me of the story about a couple that got kicked out of our school though... got caught in the bathroom with the girl giving him a blowjob... well, that's probably one of the *better* ways to get expelled...

I was just wondering if those Shampoo-girls have anything to do with Mark's attitudes... ------------------ Tobias Franke (19) The Cyberhead Net In the name of the Llama, and of the Penguin, and of the Holy Gnu. Amen.