Okay so I was looking at the banner for Video Diary 4 (you know this one:  http://community.lionhead.com/photos/lionhead_studios_photos/images/2833391/original.aspx) and I noticed the name Westcliff.

I was thinking on what westcliff could be and then I took a look at the fable 1 map:  http://wiki.fable-2.com/wiki/images/b/b0/FableTLC_map.jpg

I was looking at that chunk of empty land just west of Bowerstone and compared it to the banner where westcliff was and thought both land masses looked similar. I also thought west cliff seemed like an appropriate name for a town in this area due to its proximity on the western shore of Albion.

Lastly this whole area was un open to us in Fable 1 and it seems like a perfectly area for cities etc.

Thats why I think it must be a city along the coast.

Looking at the diary banner again you see a thing called Bower Lake. Now the first thing that comes to mind is Bowerstone. But there was no lake in bowerstone.

Well if you look back at the map theres a fairly large lake just west of Windmill Hill which is a small farming community north of bowerstone. Bowerstone is said to be much larger and theres no doubt that it grew into this area next to the lake (which possibly could of been called bower lake in f1) Now if we can agree that Bower lake is close to Bowerstone then please take a look at the video diary banner again.

Between the words "Video" and "Episode Four" you will notice the name Brightwood the area many have asked about its location. Well seeing its proximity to Bower Lake which is most likely North of Bowerstone Proper which is North of Greatwood from Fable 1 I am going to guess that Bright wood is within Greatwood. Possibly a section of the forest or a settlement. Maybe even a new name for Greatwood. But in all cases I believe its location must be just south of Bowerstone proper.

Moving on North East of Westcliff you see the names of two tombs one Greys Tomb and one (Insert name here cant read it) tomb. it seems odd for there to be 2 major tombs here unless this would be some sort of graveyard. So I think its safe to say that area where the 2 tombs are located is the Lynchfield Grave Yard from Fable 1. It seems to be in the same location north of Bowerstone near the western shore and seems to fall in place with all my other plossible locations.

If this place is in fact lynchfield Graveyard it only supports my theory that Westcliff is a city on that empty chunck of land from Fable 1 since the graveyard is just north of it.

Lastly if you notice the rivers in the banner and compare them to the rivers from the fable map they are very similar and further support my theory on the locations of these places.

Comments questions?

Gavin23

PS

Ill post an edited version of the F1 map so it can be easier to see what i am saying.

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"...A Perfect Hammer-blow..."

-Bowerstone Blacksmith

Very detective work. I wonder if Lionhead would give you a prize if you're right? .  However, your link to the Diary banner seems to be broken.

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Gavin23:

Between the words "Video" and "Episode Four" you will notice the name Brightwood the area many have asked about its location. Well seeing its proximity to Bower Lake which is most likely North of Bowerstone Proper which is North of Greatwood from Fable 1 I am going to guess that Bright wood is within Greatwood. Possibly a section of the forest or a settlement. Maybe even a new name for Greatwood. But in all cases I believe its location must be just south of Bowerstone proper.

 

Isn't Brightwood meant to be the size of all the areas of greatwood put together? Otherwise very interesting and i think you could be right about pretty much all the rest.

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irishbull:

Peter is the Flavor Flav of hyping video games.

Or you could be completely wrong.
Not trying to be mean or anything just stating what could happen.

they never stated anything about Brightwood size it was shown in some concept art where it said "bright wood AND bowerstone" which lead many to believe it was near bowerstone Im simply giving some reasoning behind that. The only other place its mentioned is on that banner. Try this link to the banner:

http://community.lionhead.com/photos/lionhead_studios_photos/images/2833391/original.aspx

Also one more thing about westcliff if you look at the map again there is an island at the mouth of a River. A perfect and strategic location for a city. I highly doubt it could be un settled.

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"...A Perfect Hammer-blow..."

-Bowerstone Blacksmith

"For those of you, who played Fable 1, think of all the Greatwood regions, add them together and you come close to the size of [CENSORwood], and mind you this is only one region!" - Sam

and isn't [censor]wood the name they gave brightwood while it was still under wraps? Thats what i thought anyway.

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irishbull:

Peter is the Flavor Flav of hyping video games.

ahh the picture I made was fast and didnt come out exactly as I wanted it too but its a rough description of what Im trying to say. Also I put in Bloodstone in the south where Twinblades camp was:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4849/fabletlcmapay1.jpg

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"...A Perfect Hammer-blow..."

-Bowerstone Blacksmith

Maybe the other tomb is the tomb for descendants of the hero from Fable 1? <3

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"And then the squirrel ate Dib's greasy head." <3 Gir

doubt it. Theresa left for the east mother died dont know what happened to her body and we have no idea what the hero did sinc ethere where many possible paths the player could of taken so we dont know which one lionhead will pick for Fable 2's background if they pick any. Or maybe let us pick it.

Does that make sense or am I speaking giberish now?

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"...A Perfect Hammer-blow..."

-Bowerstone Blacksmith

Gavin23:

doubt it. Theresa left for the east mother died dont know what happened to her body and we have no idea what the hero did sinc ethere where many possible paths the player could of taken so we dont know which one lionhead will pick for Fable 2's background if they pick any. Or maybe let us pick it.

Does that make sense or am I speaking giberish now?

It would help if you used grammar.
I know what you mean, though. However, a lot of ideas for the connection between Fable 1 and 2 could have no chance of being in the game with that reasoning.
In Fable 1, you didn't have to have kids, so it's possible that your bloodline never continued; it's also possible that it did. You could be or in Fable 1, so it would be difficult to make references in Fable 2 to the Fable 1 hero because there's no way to know what alignment the player chose in the original game. You wouldn't know whether to say he was a or hero.

That said, those are some pretty theories on locations. How important is it, though? <3

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"And then the squirrel ate Dib's greasy head." <3 Gir

wait we couldnt have kids in Fable 1 could we? Also wasnt the hero a decendant of Archon (s) or some king of the old kingdom

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"...A Perfect Hammer-blow..."

-Bowerstone Blacksmith

Gavin23:

wait we couldnt have kids in Fable 1 could we? Also wasnt the hero a decendant of Archon (s) or some king of the old kingdom

Sorry, I meant to say that we could get married (or not).
I guess he did descend from Archon. I dunno. I'm confused. <3

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"And then the squirrel ate Dib's greasy head." <3 Gir

Oh isnt everyone these days. I gtg everyone keep this thread alove and spread the love yall

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-Bowerstone Blacksmith

EynEvau:

Very detective work. I wonder if Lionhead would give you a prize if you're right?

 

 

Someone won't be getting a prize  :-P

Omle:

"For those of you, who played Fable 1, think of all the Greatwood regions, add them together and you come close to the size of [CENSORwood], and mind you this is only one region!" - Sam

and isn't [censor]wood the name they gave brightwood while it was still under wraps? Thats what i thought anyway.

Why are you censord? maybe you know to much

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Aikaterine:

It would help if you used grammar.
I know what you mean, though. However, a lot of ideas for the connection between Fable 1 and 2 could have no chance of being in the game with that reasoning.
In Fable 1, you didn't have to have kids, so it's possible that your bloodline never continued; it's also possible that it did. You could be or in Fable 1, so it would be difficult to make references in Fable 2 to the Fable 1 hero because there's no way to know what alignment the player chose in the original game. You wouldn't know whether to say he was a or hero.

That said, those are some pretty theories on locations. How important is it, though? <3

they are theories. and that thing about brightwood and bowerstone, was something like, one portion of bowerstone (a specific area, but can't remember which one) was bigger or the same size as the 3 areas of bowerstone in fable 1.

as for this bit about the hero, any one ever played the KOTOR games? if not, kotor 1: u wake on a republic ship, flee, get a jedi free, and run to dantoine, become a jedi, follow revan and malak's footsteps, find out YOU are revan, then with that, ultimately choose ; save republic, kill malak, or, revenge on malak, lead the sith again.

kotor 2: wake in a mining colony, and find a prisoner. in dialogue with him, you chose if revan was first, reborn jedi, or sith lord, then, you say if it was a female, or argue revan was a man.

taht alters parts of the game on scripts pre-set for that conversation: male, meet a main character from kotor, after that, after that, revan's love interest appears.
male, holocron depecting revans love interest still , turns up.
female, you meet love interest, who says hes doing what he was told
dark female, don't know.

so, having scripts set for a specific dialogue may alter minor parts of the world about archon's desendent. or they may ignore it entirely. it is 500 years later. still, work!

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based on personal theory i think that brightwood just might be darkwood renamed. because in fable tlc you found out that scorn was a fake god. maybe people wanted to forget about darkwood and scorn so they renamed it so the generations after would forget.

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darksideguy223:

based on personal theory i think that brightwood just might be darkwood renamed. because in fable tlc you found out that scorn was a fake god. maybe people wanted to forget about darkwood and scorn so they renamed it so the generations after would forget.

How do you mean skorm was a fake god???

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woutix:

darksideguy223:

based on personal theory i think that brightwood just might be darkwood renamed. because in fable tlc you found out that scorn was a fake god. maybe people wanted to forget about darkwood and scorn so they renamed it so the generations after would forget.

How do you mean skorm was a fake god???

Yeah sorry my mind was dead at the moment i wrote that like at 7 in the morning

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o oke

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Anyone reading who hasnt completely beaten TLC be WARNED, MEGA SPOILERS INCOMING!
The Oracle tells you that Avo and Skorm are not real gods, and that a busniess savvy Trader found two place where Will made you feel virtuous and holy while another made you feel and filled your mind with murderous images; and formed two opposing gods and to get in the favor of them you must pay gold. and since the Hero was really the only person who could talk to the Oracle wit hthe lost expressions of those one dudes, most citizens probably didnt know about it.

Oh and on your map, the text is to small and illegible to be read correctly. Though I'm sure you could fix that easily.

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o i never had enough patients to listen to the oracle so thanks for that

and do you mean me with that last sentence?

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very intresting, i love the idea that your right.

ohh by the way, i cant really see what you've written on the edited fable 1 map so if you could write with larger letters or something that would be great

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Come ride with me,
Through the veins of history,
I'll show you how god
falls asleep on the job.

And how can we win,
When fools can be kings,
Don't waste your time,
Or time will waste you - Muse

that actually makes alot of sense, i hope your right

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Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel was just a freight train coming your way

Glad to see that people have posted. Might need to get back on topic but whatever. Anyhow I doubt Darkwood was renamed Brightwood for we need soem sort of dark scary place in the game and I just dont think they would remove darkwood and not replace it.

Brightwood has to be a seperate area kind of like its opposite. You know how Peter talks about BloodSTONE being the opposite of BowerSTONE then BrightWOOD must be the opposite of DarkWOOD. e was stressing that some areas are "> others where "> etc etc etc. Get my jingo? On top of that its location I believe is within greatwood or is now replacing greatwood which would put it south of Bowerstone like I mentioned.

Gradius1:

EynEvau:

Very detective work. I wonder if Lionhead would give you a prize if you're right?

 

 

Someone won't be getting a prize  :-P

Okay no prize but that doesnt mean Im wrong that just means lionhead is on a tight budget or thye gave all th eother cool prizes to some charity for children chimney sweeps

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"...A Perfect Hammer-blow..."

-Bowerstone Blacksmith