so the great peter molyneux said that there was no armor in the game because he said he didnt want everyone to end up looking the same...well i think that insead of removing armor, they should just have a group of designers work on creating a whole load of armor sets..some examples ..will user outfit..ranger outfit...chain mail...and obviously those are the very basics..but im sure if you have a group of 10 or so extremely talented designers work on nothing but armor for a while...they will come up with some very cool designs..heck even the community can put some ideas in and if lionhead accepts their idea then the the armor can be named after them

By the sounds of things the additions of unique and different clothing will be continuous with the microtransactions system that Fable 3 will be having... I bet there will even be holiday and seasonal outfits up for grabs... a Christmas time Santa suit anyone?

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You think they don't already have a team like that?  Besides, quality over quantity.

Armor value was removed because they didn't want people looking the same.  Actual metal armor was removed because it doesn't fit with the time period, and would be even further out of place in Fable 3.

I don't really care either way, but that's how I think they're approaching clothing.

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I've got a solution to the armour problem. Have armour be protective, but add a zero gamerscore Awww Diddums achievement for anyone that wears it. Also, reduce renown rewards cause it's not that big a deal to complete a quest while dressed as a tank, and have bandits and villagers taunt you for being scared of getting a papercut, etc. Problem solved. Armour purists get to wear armour and get extra defence but face consequences in the world for it.

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a better idea for armor would be its effectiveness to different kinds of attacks.

take chainmail for example, some one slashes at you, not going to hurt as much, but some one shoots you wiht an arrow/gun its going to do more damage.

plate armor, arrow/gun will do less damage as will a sword, but all that metal, perfect conductor for magic attacks.

you can go down the list of things that armor made of this, or that would be more protective against and almost useless against.

punishing people for liking to use or do some thing is going to turn them away from the game, if its not game related, like killing people in game, well yeah guards are called but thats part of the fun, but no points or what have you just for putting some armor on?

bad idea

mikeboy92:

my solution to armoUr

why fix whats not broken?
fable 2's solution was just fine.

(for those who still dont know... theres armour in dlc.)

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but hals armor or the ranger coat etc, dont do any thing, you could be running around naked and still have the same effect, being almost a god like in F1.

...They can just add a wide variety of armor with no armor points and people will mix and match.... Its the same freaking thing as regular clothes and if what he says is true... why the heck did he even allow the Hal's outfit thing? I bet half the gaming population that played fable 2 wore that. (Half the LE players i mean.... or maybe more)

I used Hal's armour for the 1st 5mins, then took it ff cos it looked a bit dumb.

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tommate2k7:

I used Hal's armour for the 1st 5mins, then took it ff cos it looked a bit dumb.

I think it overall looked alot better than most clothes in fable 2. I mixed and matched some clothes to pull off a look though... ending up keeping the hal helment on cause there was nothing pretty enough to hide my horribly horribly ugly character face. xD

So what if the DLC armor doesn't have an armor value; Fable II is so easy as is, how could you possibly need armor?

Mister_A:

So what if the DLC armor doesn't have an armor value; Fable II is so easy as is, how could you possibly need armor?

Like i said... Dont need armor value on armor. I just like armor over regular clothes. I say keep armor for the sake of having more variety but dont add armor value. I do prefer the whole armor value thing anyways cause it actually encourages the designers to make the more expensive clothes actually look . Still, im alright with having just armor with no armor value. (by armor value i mean armor rating, defensive points)

Oh alright I gotchya. I can agree with this to a degree, but I don't think there should be tons of sets. Perhaps just a few unique ones (like in the DLC) and a decorative one. It's all in moderation.

well my point is, whats the point of having any if it makes no difference.

i like armor, but at the same time it had better do some thing, but we dont want a repeat of F1 plate armor = god hero.

hence IF they do put armor in, have like 5 different sets of each kind, that have a different effect VS different kinds of attacks etc.

like have 2 styles of plate, chain mail and leather armors that make you look like a guy, and 2 sets that make you look more , then one set that is just plane.

leather armor being non conductive = less damage VS magic by ..... -10 but +5 range +10 slash

chainmail armor being some what half could = -5 VS magic -10 slash +10 range weapons.

plate armor being all out plate could = -10 slash -10 range +15 magic attacks for damage.

meaning if you were going all plate armor and fighting a bunch of witches or what ever, that would be a bad idea, chain mail not so bad but still not , and leather armor being the best idea.

at least thats just my thoughts.

Well I thought he removed them because he wanted your clothes to be more about your personality and less about your fighting style.

spy46:

well my point is, whats the point of having any if it makes no difference. i like armor, but at the same time it had better do some thing, but we dont want a repeat of F1 plate armor = god hero. hence IF they do put armor in, have like 5 different sets of each kind, that have a different effect VS different kinds of attacks etc. like have 2 styles of plate, chain mail and leather armors that make you look like a guy, and 2 sets that make you look more , then one set that is just plane. leather armor being non conductive = less damage VS magic by ..... -10 but +5 range +10 slash chainmail armor being some what half could = -5 VS magic -10 slash +10 range weapons. plate armor being all out plate could = -10 slash -10 range +15 magic attacks for damage. meaning if you were going all plate armor and fighting a bunch of witches or what ever, that would be a bad idea, chain mail not so bad but still not , and leather armor being the best idea. at least thats just my thoughts.

ok, so what about hot pants?
i dont see hot pants having any significant defensive properties... they BARELY defend against rape.

so if any armour has those values, and considering how most of albions enemies use melee, noone will wear hot pants, and everyone will wear highwayman's coat still...

but UNDERNEATH it...

theyll have armour.

i cant believe im using Peter in an arguement... but... he said, or implied or w/e... he want your character to looks how you want, not how the game wants you to look.


ive been playing dragon age for over a week now... and since i got it, i havent taken off the Blood Dragon armour set.
it looks horrible, but if i take it off... i die.

now anyone who knows me will tell you that i change my clothes every 0.2 seconds, and i find myself feeling unattached to my characters if i cant do that...
and for that reason i very much appreciate fable and fable 2's variety of clothes...

now i have just contradicted myself, BUT i never once noticed the armour value on fable... i didnt think it did anything tbph. my main outfit on my main save had only chainmail helm and leather boots as far as armour is concerned... but from reading these forums, ive heard its actually quite a big problem... and thus, i could appreciate what Peter did in fable 2 specifically... ...if he didnt put a cross-dressing value on everything. (which took me some time to begin to ignore)

armour should be included for choice still, or i, and the same mob as last time... will be arguing about it for months... but it should definately not effect peoples decisions for any other reason but style. ergo, no armour value, or stats of any kind.

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spy46:

well my point is, whats the point of having any if it makes no difference. i like armor, but at the same time it had better do some thing, but we dont want a repeat of F1 plate armor = god hero.

Armor in Fable TLC was rendered completely irrelevant by (a) roll dodging, (b) Enflame (you were invincible during casting) and (c) Physical Shield. The only time I ever wore Plate in TLC was to open that Demon Door near Twinblade's hangout.

spy46:

hence IF they do put armor in, have like 5 different sets of each kind, that have a different effect VS different kinds of attacks etc. like have 2 styles of plate, chain mail and leather armors that make you look like a guy, and 2 sets that make you look more , then one set that is just plane.

They already did this in Fable TLC. Being able to dye your clothing any way you choose is a much better system... that way, you can look , , or any other way that floats your boat.

Personally, I'm not interested in armor ratings. The last thing I want to do is co-op with a bunch of plate mail wearing clones. (And despite garjian's opinion on the matter, nobody I played with ever wore the Highwayman's Coat. )

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Gradius1:

No more Jack threads.

Bring it!

ok lets try it this way.

we got the chasim, knothole, ranger and hals armor.

so thats 1 set that looks , one set that looks like a guy and the other 2 are ... what ever.

what im saying is that, AGAIN if they do have actual armor in F3, there should be alot more sets, but whats the point if they dont do any thing for you defence wise in some way.

maybe i want to look like a ..... demonic paladin or some thing.

but the clothes in F2 the idea was a one, but the problem is that there were only so many sets of clothing CLASSES.

how many noble jackets were there for men or women, just each.

if you wanted top rate clothing to look , the players would then all look like the same guy or girl.

there should be at LEAST 5 or 6 SETS for each class or what have you, then you can really mix and match it all up.

Shisou:

You think they don't already have a team like that?  Besides, quality over quantity.

Armor value was removed because they didn't want people looking the same.  Actual metal armor was removed because it doesn't fit with the time period, and would be even further out of place in Fable 3.

I don't really care either way, but that's how I think they're approaching clothing.

Uhh no, Fable 2 was in the late Renaissance/Colonial period, and even in that time plenty of people still wore plate armor.  To name a few, Dutch Curaissers, almost every Italian soldier, The Spanish, the Irish still were wearing chainmail for god's sakes.

Armor would have no more out of place than the guns.  I think armor in Fable 3 should be added, after all, we will be kings and queens.  Even in the 18th ceuntury, great rulers of countries had some sort of ceremonial armor (or even in which they wore into battle). 

I'd think armor would be just fine.  However, clothing has to be kept, and more of it as well.  I'd love to have a layering system of some sort.  Like being able to wear a Fine Royal Robe (or whatever) underneath a Golden/Silver breastplate.

That could be REALLY fun.

Eireman:

Uhh no, Fable 2 was in the late Renaissance/Colonial period, and even in that time plenty of people still wore plate armor.  To name a few, Dutch Curaissers, almost every Italian soldier, The Spanish, the Irish still were wearing chainmail for god's sakes.

First, Albion = Britain.  None of those places are Britain.  Not that you're wrong, just sayin'.
Second, you mean *cuirasses.  Yes, people still wore them, but they're just bald chest plates.  Then they wore normal clothes under it with optional helmet and gloves.  But the guys in this thread aren't asking for armor like cuirasses.  They're asking for full suits of knight's armor, like platemail and chainmail and tower shields.  You give them three different styles of cuirasses that fit with the era of Fable 2 and then they say, "What's this crap?"  They complain about sh*tty selection.  Better to just dump it all and be done with it.

And finally, Fable 3 is rougly 1750-1850, the Industrial Revolution.  No one wore armor by then.  Not even royalty.  Rifles (and muskets) pierce armor with ease, the stuff is freaking heavy, and the resources to make it were very scarce and expensive at the time, so hecks no to armor in the Industrial Revolution.

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Shisou:

Eireman:

Uhh no, Fable 2 was in the late Renaissance/Colonial period, and even in that time plenty of people still wore plate armor.  To name a few, Dutch Curaissers, almost every Italian soldier, The Spanish, the Irish still were wearing chainmail for god's sakes.

First, Albion = Britain.  None of those places are Britain.  Not that you're wrong, just sayin'.
Second, you mean *cuirasses.  Yes, people still wore them, but they're just bald chest plates.  Then they wore normal clothes under it with optional helmet and gloves.  But the guys in this thread aren't asking for armor like cuirasses.  They're asking for full suits of knight's armor, like platemail and chainmail and tower shields.  You give them three different styles of cuirasses that fit with the era of Fable 2 and then they say, "What's this crap?"  They complain about sh*tty selection.  Better to just dump it all and be done with it.

And finally, Fable 3 is rougly 1750-1850, the Industrial Revolution.  No one wore armor by then.  Not even royalty.  Rifles (and muskets) pierce armor with ease, the stuff is freaking heavy, and the resources to make it were very scarce and expensive at the time, so hecks no to armor in the Industrial Revolution.

Actually I did mean Cuirassers.  They were an elite group of cavalry who road into battle dressed in, cuirasses.  My point is that people still wore armor. 

And like it or not, Albion IS NOT OUR WORLD.  The world in which Albion is called, is called Yore.  So therefore, even if Albion entered the Industrial Revolution, why the hell WOULDN'T they choose not to have armor, especially royalty.  The best way to make an appearance and make it known that you are all powerful is to looking royal and intimidating, you usually can't do that with some simple pansy outfit of fine silk.  The same goes for soldiers, intimidation comes from might, and armor adds to this.

I say armor is perfectly acceptable.

As long as there is LOTS of it, and much more variety, and it looks kick ass and gives you some kind of bonus (whether is be to shooting, defense, or what have you), I don't think anyone will complain unless they are the whining little brats who expect FAR too much and have to get what they want.

If armor doesn't appear, I'll say, "Damn, oh well, at least I get some other cool stuff."  the whiners will whine and I'll just say shut the *** up.

If Albion isn't our world, how can you use it as defense that people still wore armor in our world?

And the base of the fans with a voice are those whining brats.  Haven't you heard how disappointed the entire world was with Fable 1 and 2?  You see, Peter promised that you could be God in both of these games and he didn't deliver.

People will always expect too much, and I think a vast array of armors with armor values and consequences and morphs and all that crap is one of those things that people will make into a big deal.  So why give them more fuel then they already have?  Just say "Screw you.  Between lame armor, unrealistically labor intensive armor, and no armor, we're going no armor.  Enjoy your thousands of combinations of dyeable clothes."

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Shisou:

If Albion isn't our world, how can you use it as defense that people still wore armor in our world?

And the base of the fans with a voice are those whining brats.  Haven't you heard how disappointed the entire world was with Fable 1 and 2?  You see, Peter promised that you could be God in both of these games and he didn't deliver.

People will always expect too much, and I think a vast array of armors with armor values and consequences and morphs and all that crap is one of those things that people will make into a big deal.  So why give them more fuel then they already have?  Just say "Screw you.  Between lame armor, unrealistically labor intensive armor, and no armor, we're going no armor.  Enjoy your thousands of combinations of dyeable clothes."

I wasn't quite using it as a defense, just more of an example at how times change but some things may stay the same. 

And, by the end game... you were a God.  For ***'s sake I could own anything that crossed my path and I'm sure everyone else was the same way.  You become so damn powerful it almost takes the fun away.

Honestly, what's the deal, why do you have such a vendetta against having armor.  It looks (as long as it made that way by developers), it makes you feel powerful even if you aren't at the moment, and there are TONS of possibilities with it.  Imagine the variations and combination's you could make with the right amount of armor.

Ok lets see if we can set this right.

1: armor was only really useless at closer ranges, in reguards to the early guns like muskets or what have you, armor like chainmail was useles, but plate armor would hold up at longer ranges, the closer the more damage etc.

2: as i said, whats the point in having armor in the game at all if its not going to help in some way, might as well run naked.

3: there is more or less only 1 set for each gender of each class, sure there are other shirts out there and the like, but not as many as there should be for the overall game, there just isnt enough of any thing really to give you the freedome to make your hero actually yours, there are probably a number of any look alikes out there in some way or another.

Which is precisely why we need the most options possible, like LOTS of armor and LOTS of clothes.  That way, we should really never feel like, "Wow, haven't I worn this 10,000 times before, this sucks."